You shouldn't show a 40 foot motor home at the same location you are doing a 4x4 off road test. Lol

Welcome to 2nd place Ford Craptor! There is a new dog in town! The ZR2 and Power Wagon is king off road!!!!!!

3rd*

Yep, it is a beatiful Chevy Truck and it can kick the tar out of the ford craptor too. Yep, I said the ford craptor. Wait for it, here comes the crying from ford girly men.

Yep, it is a beatiful Chevy Truck and it can kick the tar out of the ford craptor too. Yep, I said the ford craptor. Wait for it, here comes the crying from ford girly men.

Johnny Doe - - -

For all-purpose / all-condition off-road trucks (not including Jeeps or other SUV's), there are now really only four (IMO):
1) Ram Power Wagon
2) Colorado ZR2
3) Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro
4) Ford Raptor (new)

The sequence order above is a continuum going from slow-speed Rubicon Trail-style rock-crawling (1), to Baja Desert high-speed sand-blasting (4), --- and everything in between.

But at this point, it does look as though the ZR2 can do a good, solid bit of both extremes: we'll have to wait and see after actual testing, and observe what the market place thinks, in terms of sales. (Nothing convinces manufacturers more completely than people who put actual money down to get their products!)

I love the very capable Power Wagon, but there have been three deal breakers for me:
1) It's huge
2) It's expensive
3) It offers no manual transmission (BIGGY!)

So, if the ZR2 shakes out after testing and time, without goof-ups or failures, --- and it has a manual transmission --- then, dear Chevy, my checkbook number is...(^_^)

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You wanted the BEST!

You got the BEST!

The HOTTEST truck in the world!

CHEVY ZR2!!!!!!!!!!

BEATS THE FORD CRAPTOR!!!

The market is slowing down due to a lot of people have bought trucks in the last couple years and holding on to the. The prices for the twins has gone up in the last 2 years. I was at my local Canyon dealer this morning and the cheapest one they had was $42K and highest was $47K and they are not giving the $10k discounts on them like the full size Chevy and Fords.....they need to get the production cost down to create more sales....ZR2 may be what I need but not gona pay that

"Welcome to 2nd place Ford Craptor! There is a new dog in town! The ZR2 and Power Wagon is king off road!!!!!!"

Um, math not your strong point?

Too funny.

All three trucks target different types of off-roading.

As far as I'm concerned , we have three first place vehicles here.

1. Raptor - high speed, open country.
1. Power Wagon - low speed crawling, rougher terrain where some cargo capacity is needed.
1. ZR2 - tight trails and crawling.

Like I said before this is a very nice truck but other than size diiference, which in some circumstances is advantageous, it comes no where near the capability of a Raptor, nor was it meant to.
For those who keep proclaiming "craptor" you are ignoring the fact that the Raptor created a whole new market with legions of followers. There are new Raptor off road clubs that do serious off roading with an exceptional vehicle. Ford, GM and Ram all make great trucks and arguing counter is ignorance. Just look at the latest comparisons, all great trucks, all with their own advantages and character.

Like I said before this is a very nice truck but other than size diiference, which in some circumstances is advantageous, it comes no where near the capability of a Raptor, nor was it meant to.
For those who keep proclaiming "craptor" you are ignoring the fact that the Raptor created a whole new market with legions of followers. There are new Raptor off road clubs that do serious off roading with an exceptional vehicle. Ford, GM and Ram all make great trucks and arguing counter is ignorance. Just look at the latest comparisons, all great trucks, all with their own advantages and character.

Sweeeet! Give me the Z06 engine package and i'm set. lol

If the Power Wagon is so good it wouldn't have come in dead last in the off-road challenge.

Raptor dominates the slow speed crawling as well as the high speed.

The Chevy is ok if you want a toy truck.

@jeff S. If Raptor was the be all end all in off road how come it couldn't make it up Gold mine Hill?

Raptor dominates the slow speed crawling as well as the high speed.

Posted by: Jeff S | May 15, 2017 3:01:42 AM

As long as Ford's 4WD IFS setup keeps using those junk plastic IWE hubs up front, the Raptor will continue to fail when it comes to crawling obstacles off-road. The guys that really use their Raptors offroad end up having to put in IWE eliminator kits because the stock parts Ford keeps using just don't hold up. The Raptor in stock form is for running around in the desert and running down moderately muddy trails, not crawling big rocks.

...they need to get the production cost down to create more sales....ZR2 may be what I need but not gona pay that
Posted by: Dave

@Dave

GM (and Ford) are profitable because trucks/SUVs are profitable. Americans love trucks. I love trucks.

No manufacturers on earth are better at production cost management than GM and Ford. Ford can sell every Raptor they make, ditto for GM's mid size trucks. The GM mid size off road upgrades are intended to give dealers (and customers) a thrill.

The big challenge facing Ford and GM is from their respective shareholders. Ford just today announced a global cut in headcount expected to be around ten percent. GM is facing a rebellion in the ranks of their shareholders.

The industry here in America is confronted by a new generation of car and truck buyers who still haven't ever bought their first new car---millenials. It's making Detroit nervous. Very nervous.