every truck on the market is better. don't buy one of these unless the dealer pays you to take it.

The truck that's not changing at all.

@NoQDRTundra, The Tundra is a niche product.

No regular cab? This design is now 10 years old, I thought when they brought this truck out in 2007 they were serious about the 1/2 ton truck, 10 years later same frame same engines same trans? Joke

No regular cab? This design is now 10 years old, I thought when they brought this truck out in 2007 they were serious about the 1/2 ton truck, 10 years later same frame same engines same trans? Joke

PUTC is very generous in describing the Tundra receiving a new model under that name in 2014.

The Tundra has really been in production in various half ton trims since late 2006 or early 2007.

I'm not referring here to the old midsizer with the 4.7 motor. The full size Tundra that showed up afterwards.

Stop the racist hate!

Remember the first gen Tundra? Those were cool. These have never been. Just bloated wannabe's that's all.

Y-A-W-N.....

Looks antique.

the article fails to mention the LED headlights, LED fog lights, and LED tail lights. That is a much larger change than "updated headlight look"...

Sad thing is based on reviews, the 5.7 Tundra and Ram 1500 Hemi get very similar MPGs. I don't know what's more sad, having a 11 year old powertrain, or getting the same real world MPG figures as an 11 year old powertrain...

All the hate on the Tundra, yet the Gas GM HD (2500/3500) trucks have the same powertrain since 2007 with the reliable yet dated 6.0 Vortec...

All the hate on the Tundra, yet the Gas GM HD (2500/3500) trucks have the same powertrain since 2007 with the reliable yet dated 6.0 Vortec...

Hey "duh" and yet you barely get any discounts on this truck. No Toyota dealer will pay YOU to take the truck. Go to Ford and they discount the life out of every truck they sell. Makes you wonder what the true value of their junk is.

jack: I detest the GM trucks, but at least they updated more than just a grille and paint in the last decade.

Toyota is way too profitable to let there full-size offering languish.

Last post on THQ blog was the Christmas lights post in December 2016. RIP Tundra.

their full-size offering languish.

I have a 2017 Platinum. With the single exception of MPG, this is a great truck. I really enjoy driving it. Especially during my 130 mile round trip to commutes to work.

All the hate on the Tundra, yet the Gas GM HD (2500/3500) trucks have the same powertrain since 2007 with the reliable yet dated 6.0 Vortec...
Posted by: jack | Jun 14, 2017 3:19:30 PM

The GM HD's and the Tundra are completely different markets. The GM HD gassers are designed for work and abuse, the Tundra is aimed at the light duty grocery getter crowd. The sad thing is, they get very similar fuel economy numbers despite a huge deficit in towing and payload capabilities. If you want to talk about ancient, let's talk about that flimsy, wet-noodle ladder frame Ford used for a decade and a half.

I wouldn't buy a used vehicle with a 6 speed automatic.

Tundra is a crap brand. The Tundra did have killer specs in 2007 - but they knew they needed to in order to have any chance of breaking into the fiercely loyal group that buys “American” pickup trucks. The truck was good, but the styling was only fair, and there was no getting around the fact that it was a Toyota. Unfortunately for Toyota, the Tundra has sold very poorly compared to the big three, and yes, it takes a long time to recoup the R&D costs. The only thing they could do was spread the engine and trans to the Land Cruiser / LX570 but those things barely sell either. I think despite millions and millions spent in marketing, NASCAR racing, Baja racing, and factory investments all over the country “Truck People” are basically only willing to buy Ford / GM / RAM.

A legit reason why the Tundra has not changed, and this is from MS himself, is to protect QDR. There's video of him interviewed by tfltruc... saying so.

I guess he has to because if there are changes QDR will suffer. Evidence of that is the current gen Tacoma, which has its share of QDR woes.

If there's QDR to begin with....

If there's QDR to begin with....

If there's QDR to begin with....

They make the truck look good. Better looking than Tacoma. All other brands made or currently make their full size look better than midsize. Toyota is the only one that went opposite. It's the only brand I hear people say they prefer the midsize model over full size. I think it's because it's that ugly.

(Correction)They need to make the truck look good.

I guess Toyota has given up completing with the big 3 in full size trucks - probably content with their main bread 'n butter is small SUV's, Camry & HILUX wanna-be...

It's not that "truck people" will only buy Ford and GM or Ram. It's that Toyota doesn't know how to sell to people who buy trucks. Truck buyers are not stupid. The 2007 Tundra was not good. Toyota tried cashing in on Truck sales and failed. They were copying instead of innovating. They were ugly. Inside was ugly too only you also get that cheap feeling to go along with it. What's more they were more expensive than other trucks. They got less mpg. And they had less options. And while we're at it, how do you fellow truck guys like that 2500 and 3500 series Tundra? Oh wait a minute!!!!! lol The 2007 Tundra was for people who have to have a import name in their garage.

Toyota banked heavily on selling these trucks to import lovers that wanted to buy a full size truck and never put a scratch in the bed and never tow anything bigger then a 16' pond boat. Also, they were looking to win the car magazine comparos and look good to the bench racers. When people looked for a real truck, they went down to the Ford, Chevy/GMC & Ram dealer. Once Ford got new engines in 2010, Toyota didn't have anything on Ford, except a useless big front rotor. 7 years later, they still don't.

Toyota makes reliable trucks, no they don't put all the latest gagets on them but they are reliable. Numbers don't lie dispite what people will try say. Toyota has the least repairs and they are the longest last trucks period.

Re: 2007 Tundra

That's all Toyota does is try to copy the real American trucks. Let's see, they copied Dodge's style (design an entire truck around an oversized grille - and then in 2013 they tried copying Ford) then they looked at Ford and GM's specs and copied them with a few exceptions, they went cheap on the frame and brakes aft of the cab and the rear springs are thin. But the main thing is they increased a few dimensions so they could have few bragging points in the commercials that they copied from Ford. Wrap it all up and charge $4000.00 more and wait for the suckers to show up at the dealership.

Message to Toyota: The Tundra has earned a reputation as a pretender. Real American truck buyers know a hell of a lot more about vehicles than Corolla buyers and they saw through your bulllll.

Tundra is very overpriced for what you get. 90% of the dorks that buy the Tundra will never use it for work, so of course it will be very reliable as it will go to Home Depot once every couple of months to pick up some potted plants, that's it.

As a former auto tech, I would rate the auto manufactures 1/2 ton brands in the following order and reasons why:
1: Toyota if trouble free operation for at least 100,000 miles is what you want. But be prepared to pay high maintenance costs for servicing at your local Toyota Dealer.
2. If you want a truck that will easily go for 200,000 miles with nothing more than brakes replacement, a couple leaky hoses and few annoying check engine lights but never getting stranded or needing a tow truck, one of the GM twins will be your best choice.
3. If you don't mind continually bringing your truck back to the dealer for warranty on engine, electrical and transmission issues. If you don't care about having to shell out for timing chain replacements, turbo replacement and continual programming updates after the warranty has expired. If having to live with poor body, fender and door panel alignment isn't an issue, then an F-150 ecoboost would be fine for you.
4. If the downtime associate with owning a Ford isn't a problem but you want a better looking truck, then the Ram would be your best choice.
So there you have it. Choose wisely.

As a former auto tech, I would rate the auto manufactures 1/2 ton brands in the following order and reasons why:
1: Toyota if trouble free operation for at least 100,000 miles is what you want. But be prepared to pay high maintenance costs for servicing at your local Toyota Dealer.
2. If you want a truck that will easily go for 200,000 miles with nothing more than brakes replacement, a couple leaky hoses and few annoying check engine lights but never getting stranded or needing a tow truck, one of the GM twins will be your best choice.
3. If you don't mind continually bringing your truck back to the dealer for warranty on engine, electrical and transmission issues. If you don't care about having to shell out for timing chain replacements, turbo replacement and continual programming updates after the warranty has expired. If having to live with poor body, fender and door panel alignment isn't an issue, then an F-150 ecoboost would be fine for you.
4. If the downtime associate with owning a Ford isn't a problem but you want a better looking truck, then the Ram would be your best choice.
So there you have it. Choose wisely.

It seems the biggest complaint against the Tundra is the poor fuel economy. That was also the biggest gripe against the Tacoma, so Toyota gave the Tacoma a new powertrain. It is much more efficient, but most buyers seem to be wishing they had the old gas-hog powertrain back.

So, be careful what you wish for on the current Tundra. If bad MPG is the only major complaint, it may not be too bad of a truck, as long as gas stays cheap..

Wow!..... i didn't know they still build the turdra..

As I have stated MY times before...'If you can't afford the gas, then you can't afford a truck'.
My Tundra's fuel mileage is as good as most any other brand's. I use a calculator to figure it, while most of you gurls use the onboard computer so as to give you bragging rights with a FALSE mpg figure. Your computer will always lie 2 - 3 mpg in favor of the actual mpg. Try it once to see what I mean.
I will take my Tundra over any of your BIG 3 toys any day.

As I have stated MY times before...'If you can't afford the gas, then you can't afford a truck'.
My Tundra's fuel mileage is as good as most any other brand's. I use a calculator to figure it, while most of you gurls use the onboard computer so as to give you bragging rights with a FALSE mpg figure. Your computer will always lie 2 - 3 mpg in favor of the actual mpg. Try it once to see what I mean.
I will take my Tundra over any of your BIG 3 toys any day.

I will take my Tundra over any of your BIG 3 toys any day.

Posted by: Guest | Jun 14, 2017 7:28:16 PM

I think you have it the other way around Mr. 1/2 ton.

I like the Tundra, but I can't stand when people say that gas mileage does not matter on a truck. Pickup's have the most to gain by even slight increases in mileage. Even a 1 or 2 mile increase is like is like a 20% gain in economy. I make good money and I can afford a truck but I'm also not going to throw money in the gas tank needlessly.

A new Tundra will out live other trucks that have not even beeN mAde yet! How many million mile gassers have we seen from Ford GM or Ram???????

A new Tundra will out live other trucks that have not even beeN mAde yet! How many million mile gassers have we seen from Ford GM or Ram???????

I did not post the comment approximately 4 places above this one. At least not in this article. Geez!

Those were cool.

the titan is the most overlooked truck of all. the tundra is an also ran with a better name plate. toyota uses the brand to sell these things. ford is way overpriced. the gm twins have the own set of issues recalls and otherwise as does ram.

so the clear winner is TITAN

The tundra is a great truck! I would buy one in a heartbeat if I was in the position to do so. The only thing that is still bothering me is that lack of a 6.5' bed on the CrewMax. Thats the only thing. Toyota is the only truck maker in the US that doesn't offer that feature. When I went to Alaska just recently, about 50% or more of the 1/2 ton pickups I saw had the 6.5' bed on the full size cab. When down here in Charlotte, NC you may see one 6.5' bed on a full size cab out of 30 trucks.

The tundra is a great truck! I would buy one in a heartbeat if I was in the position to do so. The only thing that is still bothering me is that lack of a 6.5' bed on the CrewMax. Thats the only thing. Toyota is the only truck maker in the US that doesn't offer that feature. When I went to Alaska just recently, about 50% or more of the 1/2 ton pickups I saw had the 6.5' bed on the full size cab. When down here in Charlotte, NC you may see one 6.5' bed on a full size cab out of 30 trucks.

Btw, all this talk about the Tundra not being a real truck or only suckers go to the dealers to buy a Tundra.. Thats completely garbage.

How can anyone honestly say that a 10'year old truck is the best in class, I want what your smoking! It was a competitive truck when it came out a decade ago, I would rank it last in class just behind the Titan . With that being said if I was looking for a used truck say 5 years old I would consider it if the price was right if I'm buying new no chance in hell.