The customer's are the ones who should influence the design of the vehicles. GM has a bad reputation of , "we will build it and they will buy it" mentality,which has been proven wrong numerous times.

PS I drive a GMC and I don't have facebook

Funny video.

Yeah, bad way to market things by telling people what to buy, they need to actually see what customers want, like the Fords, then maybe they could sell more trucks than Ford.

If you're gonna do an inaugural event highlighting pioneering design and technology that has shaped the current diesel light duty truck market, then start at the top with GM and the Duramax. Great job Mark!

Awesome powertrain, nice job GM.
However, Facebook Live????? Is this available without Facebook, I hate it that many businesses and non profit organizations have Facebook websites and nothing else.

"I BILD GM.
U BYE GM."

I agree with GMS on this, start at the top of second place and try to convince people that is a good thing, by following the leader and doing nothing new

The number one truck maker in the US offers an all new and innovative engine/trans option for its best-selling trucks and some genius like Nitro can be counted on to find a negative in it.

We're glad your updating your Diesel, that way the feds won't have to sue you and then go bankrupt again.

Torque and horsepower is nice and all... All I really wanted my 2011 GMC Duramax to do was stay out of the shop. Performance was fine pulling my trailers, but 12 trips to the dealership in 65,000 miles with continual problems with the DEF and particulate systems made me gladly say "goodbye" to it. It is the only vehicle I've ever owned that stranded me - twice. I bought a diesel because it was supposed to be long-lasting. Wrong!

I got rid of my GMC (taking a bath for keeping only 5 years) and bought a gas Ford for better reliability. I got the added bonus of having an interior that doesn't fall apart in 25,000 miles and with soft surfaces instead of cheap, hard, rattling, breaking plastic. Go ahead, GM lovers, flame away! I owned GM's from 2002 to 2017, and Ford is light years ahead on the quality and comfort of the interiors.

I agree with GMS on this, start at the top of second place and try to convince people that is a good thing, by following the leader and doing nothing new

Posted by: Nitro | Jun 30, 2017 2:59:21 PM

Be thankful that GM brought the dominant performance power plant to the light duty diesel market. Otherwise you would be on your second set of head gaskets and EGR cooler by now with your 6.0 liter Powerjoke.

@Ricky: Let me guess, you're either a comedian or a fictional novelist?

"Torque and horsepower is nice and all... All I really wanted my 2011 GMC Duramax to do was stay out of the shop. Performance was fine pulling my trailers, but 12 trips to the dealership in 65,000 miles with continual problems with the DEF and particulate systems made me gladly say "goodbye" to it. It is the only vehicle I've ever owned that stranded me - twice. I bought a diesel because it was supposed to be long-lasting. Wrong!"

That's the #1 complaint for diesel trucks from Ford and Ram too. It's also why DPF deletes are one of the best things you can do to improve the reliability of your light duty diesel trucks. Had you bought a Powerstroke, you'd still be dealing with emission control system issues. Instead of clogged DPFs, you would be dealing with Powerstroke problems like broken exhaust valves and cracked pistons.

"I got rid of my GMC (taking a bath for keeping only 5 years) and bought a gas Ford for better reliability."

You mean the 6.2 that's famous for junk oil pumps that slowly lose oil pressure during hot idle or simply fail out of nowhere? Not to mention burnt valve seats and oil consumption. And these days Ford puts the catalytic converters right next to the manifolds in order to get them to fire off quicker, but it also causes things like fouling from frequent cold starts (lots of raw fuel makes it's way into cat due to close proximity to the cylinder). Get ready to replace them every 70k miles or so. It'll run you about $1900.

"I got the added bonus of having an interior that doesn't fall apart in 25,000 miles and with soft surfaces instead of cheap, hard, rattling, breaking plastic."
Posted by: Ricky | Jun 30, 2017 6:09:04 PM

I've been in enough newer Superdutys to know that is crap. Hard plastics everywhere you look. My neighbor's 2014 F-250 XLT Supercab had all kinds of rattles at 20k miles. We were on our way up to northern Minnesota for some fishing when it started death wobbling on the interstate at 70 mph. Took Ford three tries to figure out what was causing it. The death wobble came back this spring at 45k miles. The tech told him that the newer Superduty's use cheaper suspension components.

Ford is light years ahead on the quality and comfort of the interiors. Posted by: Ricky | Jun 30, 2017

@Ricky

You have to be on some of that Woodstock ACID!

My last new Ford was like sitting on a concrete block. The one before that was like sitting on the wrong end of a bucket.

The Ford truck interiors are always being panned by magazine reviewers for how cheap and plasticky they are!

I have owned several 6.6L Duramax trucks and they were fantastic for towing , very reliable( had 1 2011 first year LML with DEF and had a DEF sensor replaced at 60k) otherwise zero issues. Fantastic trucks. Our 2014 Cummins 3500 Laramie had a great engine also, but the transmission and DEF system were very problematic. Since i only buy diesel trucks the Ford has never been an option since 2003. Our old 7.3L powerstroke was great, but compared to now was underpowered for some of our towing needs.

The DEF tank keeps getting bigger and lower.
Total after thought.
The other issue is the high FRONT GAWR torsion bars make the
Unbearably rough, especially with the gas engine.

The entire industry was changed when the first 12v Cummins was de-tuned and out in a Dodge. The duramax raised the bar.

Virtually impossibly for the Ford truck owners to understand this type of technical report. But to put it as plain as possible, for simpletons,, this is the reason GM trucks always have the most power, last the longest of any make, get the best fuel mileage, have style, always win the Pickuptruck.com truck challenges. Ford & Ram are 15 years behind GM on engines, transmissions, durability, longevity, style, quality, precision and cost.

"Yeah, bad way to market things by telling people what to buy, they need to actually see what customers want, like the Fords, then maybe they could sell more trucks than Ford."

I have to chuckle at the irony in this statement. Once when he Henry Ford was asked about consumer surveys he responded something to the effect of "If I had asked what the consumer wanted in 1903 he would have said: A better horse and carriage." There is a time for asking what the consumer wants and there is a time for being bold and offering something that the consumer doesn't even know that he wants yet. To be honest, I have no idea which time this is.

I buy GM (or used to) but I won't do Facebook. Bye.

@Nitro

Ford Motor Company shares are down two bucks since July 2015. Down a dollar since last July.

A big hit to shareholder equity and ROI. Expect to see more heads roll in Dearborn.

So, evidently millions of Ford stockholders don't agree with your brilliant analysis. Millions of FORMER Ford shareholders are relieved.

source: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/F?ltr=1

You can bet that FORD powertrain engineers already know every nut and bolt on that new Duramax and are planning a competing engine for release, in about a decade from now. About the same time frame it took them to respond to the original Duramax.

I watched the latest gauntlet diesel comparison. I still don't get the need to be in a such a hurry that I would want to floor the pedal up the hill for a few seconds savings and 2.5mpg tank drain. At that rate and after 10 miles more than half of your fuel tank was blown out the exhaust.

I'm a GM guy, but the only thing Ford is better at than GM is marketing.. I really don't understand what GM is trying to accomplish... Thier marketing department really needs to be all fired.. If there is one area GM needs to mimick ford on it's thier marketing.. I've not seen a good Chevy or GMC commercial since the "Like a Rock" era... It's really a shame where thier marketing strategy has taken them...

My last new Ford was like sitting on a concrete block. The one before that was like sitting on the wrong end of a bucket.

Posted by: papajim | Jun 30, 2017 7:45:52 PM

@papadim--Your last new Ford was a 1990s era Ranger. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but yours is irrelevant to discussion.

My last new Ford was like sitting on a concrete block. The one before that was like sitting on the wrong end of a bucket.

Posted by: papajim | Jun 30, 2017 7:45:52 PM

Papajim, Now you can buy a catch can for the eco-boost. LOL!

papajim,
So, how much debt does Ford have?

I do believe this is an issue.

GM is not travelling the best either from a production perspective.

In the past couple of years look at the ever shrinking GM footprint ...... Vauxhall ...... gone. Opel ....... gone. Holden ........ almost gone.

I don't think GM isn't sitting as pretty as you think.

papajim,
So, how much debt does Ford have?

I do believe this is an issue.

GM is not travelling the best either from a production perspective.

In the past couple of years look at the ever shrinking GM footprint ...... Vauxhall ...... gone. Opel ....... gone. Holden ........ almost gone.

I don't think GM isn't sitting as pretty as you think.

Ricky,
What you state makes sense.

You are better off not walking and having a lower powered vehicle, than having a high powered vehicle sitting in the shop all the time.

We had a guy at work who bought a Ford SUV and it spent many hours in the shop. It was pretty had a turbo six and went like the clappers ......... when the Ford was working.

He ended up buying a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV with just a normal V6. Never once gave him a problem and he still has it. He bought it when his kids were young and he's going to give it to his daughter as her first car. Not bad.

So, it proves that sometimes, a want like the pretty Ford SUV he had ended up being a massive problem, especially when you have kids.

Ricky,
What you state makes sense.

You are better off not walking and having a lower powered vehicle, than having a high powered vehicle sitting in the shop all the time.

We had a guy at work who bought a Ford SUV and it spent many hours in the shop. It was pretty had a turbo six and went like the clappers ......... when the Ford was working.

He ended up buying a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV with just a normal V6. Never once gave him a problem and he still has it. He bought it when his kids were young and he's going to give it to his daughter as her first car. Not bad.

So, it proves that sometimes, a want like the pretty Ford SUV he had ended up being a massive problem, especially when you have kids.

WTF did I just watch.

@Ricky: Let me guess, you're either a comedian or a fictional novelist?
Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jun 30, 2017

Sorry, I just hate it when people say anything bad about a GM. It makes me so mad my dad a.k.a papajim, sends me to bed early without my medication. I just hate Ford for being #1 for so long. Dad promised me Chevy would be #1, but now Ram is about to pass us for second. I've spun it and added GMC to the 1500,2500,3500,4500,5500 and 6500 sales. That worked for a while. Then I added mid size trucks to the tally and that worked.....for a while. Now, Ford is just killing it with their innovations and they're probably gonna beat all 40 models we include in our sales. I've called Ford lovers "Fan Girls" etc. but they keep buying more and more and more. Like all I wanna know is why don't more people buy rusted out square heel well Chevy's??? WHY Ricky? WHY???

@TJ

When the 1981-1987 model years are excluded, Dodge/Ram is the longest lasting. GM has been coasting for 30 years on some amazingly good trucks. The pre-GMT400 trucks don't really die, unless they are totaled. I've had several, a GMT400, and have fleet 800 and 900s. The Roger Smith legacy of the GMT400 opened the door for the Ford SuperDuty and Dodge Ram sales explosion. Prior to 1994 Dodge was a non-player, then they roll out market changers and Ford gets busy with the SD.
GM has the Duramax-Allison combo, which while awesome, doesn't overcome the engineering issues GM faced while developing a diesel replacement for the 6.2

@jason - Good point on marketing. Yes, I can remember the 'Like a Rock' commercials.... can't remember any since then....

Mark, that was a great interview. You recognized and complimented GM on the great performance that they offer in the DMAX. I noticed you were pretty impressed by the driving dynamics and power of the Silverado, there was no hiding that. But still you weren't afraid to ask some tough questions like the location of the DEF fill. Looking forward to more of these types of broadcasts and particularly interviews with the engineers who design these trucks.

square heel well.....

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jul 1, 2017 9:12:02 PM

Well.....i'm thinking the GMSRGREAT "wanna be copy cat" who wrote this is a cross dresser who wears "square heels well". LOL ! ? The obvious would be one of the Ford fans.

Funny video. Thx

WTF did I just watch.