While the 2.7 ecoboost isn't on this list, everyone that owns it claims neck snapping torque from it.

The power stroke is King for sure, once Gm updates their engine in 5 years, they will remain second to Ford who will have be far ahead again.

All of the FORD advertised torque numbers have been proven as overrated. FAKE!

Coming from a ford guy, yes the ford has more torque, but the chevy always seems to put the actual power to the ground where it really counts. Don't always believe what you see on paper. Real world is what counts. Any of the 3 brands I would consider if I were in the market. They're all good.

@GMS, so sorry you have to bash Ford since they are number 1 and GM continues to fail with low trq numbers, lots of shaking, old outdated interiors, square wheel wells, off centered steering and poor reliability issues facing them right now, if I were you I would go after Ford too since theres nothing good to say about GM, great job!

These peak numbers are a snapshot in time. I'd be much more interested in torque curves. Primarily, how flat is the curve and where is it really useable?

I know you guys don't have the resources to do dyno tests in all of these engines, but maybe you could talk the mfrs reps into providing the torque curves (from the engineering depts, not the marketing or PR depts)?

That being said, they are all reasonably close within their classes, power-wise. What's best for you will boil down to other things, like "features of the truck, what are you most comfortable with, and how good is your dealership?".

@ Nitro. Sorry you have to continually defend the F- sisters poor performance showing when compared to the GM's. Reality always wins.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/01/whats-the-best-light-duty-truck-for-towing-2016-texas-truck-showdown.html

Rechecks the performance and real world dyno torque tests and not Ford's marketing lies.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2017/05/whats-the-best-34-ton-premium-truck-for-2017.html

Oh, one more just to rub a little salt into your oozing Ford wounds.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2017/05/which-automaker-makes-the-fastest-factory-diesel-pickup.html#comments

Ford's Ecoboost and the Tundra 5.7 make their peak torque at the lowest RPM (3,500/3,600) of the gas engines on the list.

I agree you need to look at the torque curves too, I know the Ecoboost and the 5.7 Toyota have a good flat torque curve and I think both make 90% of their torque before 2,000 RPMS.

@Gms, sorry you need to copy me like gm copies Ford, no wounds here, number 1 in sales for 40 strong, my powerstorke runs like a champ at 90K miles no issues, cant say the same for the chevy's I actually owned, dont be so one sided go drive a ford and see how much better they are than the boring Gms. I can also paste all the bad press GM is facing and the countless forums from chevy/gmc with he shaky motors and engine issues, but the page isnt big enough. I do agree though you need to go after number 1 as the jealousy is evident in your posts.

@Gms, sorry you need to copy me like gm copies Ford, no wounds here, number 1 in sales for 40 strong, my powerstorke runs like a champ at 90K miles no issues, cant say the same for the chevy's I actually owned, dont be so one sided go drive a ford and see how much better they are than the boring Gms. I can also paste all the bad press GM is facing and the countless forums from chevy/gmc with he shaky motors and engine issues, but the page isnt big enough. I do agree though you need to go after number 1 as the jealousy is evident in your posts.

That's just a whole lot of torque, period, That's all I got

That's just a whole lot of torque, period, That's all I got

That's just a whole lot of torque, period, That's all I got

That's just a whole lot of torque, period, That's all I got

The GM Duramax hits its max (910) at a very low 1,600 rpm.

For my friends who don't understand it, the lower you hit max torque (esp. with a diesel) the better.

The GM Duramax hits its max (910) at a very low 1,600 rpm.

For my friends who don't understand it, the lower you hit max torque (esp. with a diesel) the better.

What I would like to see is a graph to get a better idea of the torque curve.
For example,
The GM gas engines seem to have to wind hard to make maximum torque but if that curve is broad and flat I can live with that.

@Longboat

Just read your comment. We were thinking on the same lines there.

How about a PUTC bench test!!!??

And yet the Ram 2500 Diesel out performed Fords 6.7 Diesel acceleration test with a 10,000lbs gooseneck up Davis Dam.

Ford, 440 hp and a best-in-class 925 pounds.

Ram, 370 hp and a hulking 800 pounds-feet of torque.

@Robert, Can confirm that the 27EB pulls quite nicely from 2k-4k rpm. Granted, I have a fairly lightweight version of the F150 (ext cab, std bed, 2wd, 373 rear end, 265/60 r18). 2 years old now and still going strong. Makes me smile when I get on it :)

Is it possible that the difference between real world and what is on paper is the emmisions equipment? If so could GM's system be attaining better results due to the cheater code?
Whatever the reason, Ford needs to put the power to the wheels.

Is it possible that the difference between real world and what is on paper is the emmisions equipment? If so could GM's system be attaining better results due to the cheater code?
Whatever the reason, Ford needs to put the power to the wheels.

We should also note that Ram offers three different power rating levels for their 6.7L Cummins B-motor for their 2500 and 3500 models, with maximum torque rating at 660 lb-ft (manual trans) and 800 lb-ft with corporate 68RFE automatic. The 900 lb-ft rating Cummins uses the Aisin AS69RC HD automatic. Also, for those who do a lot of dyno testing, it can be very tricky getting a comparable torque curve through the rpm range with so many different turbos, transmissions, and software variables. But if anyone has any suggestions or information about how to better compare apples to apples, let us know.

Also, my comments regarding the GM drivetrain in the LD market are obvious when you compare the high sales engines, 3.5eb vs 5.3. One is amazing to drive the other is bland.

Also, my comments regarding the GM drivetrain in the LD market are obvious when you compare the high sales engines, 3.5eb vs 5.3. One is amazing to drive the other is bland.

@Firefighter

Yeh, I know what you mean, that Ecoboost just doesn't do it for me either.

@Firefighter

Yeh, I know what you mean, that Ecoboost just doesn't do it for me either.

Posted by: Jack | Jun 15, 2017 12:48:12 PM

He is talking about the 5.3L.

@Firefighter

Yeh, I know what you mean, that Ecoboost just doesn't do it for me either.

Posted by: Jack | Jun 15, 2017 12:48:12 PM

He is talking about the 5.3L.

Ford all the way baby!!!!!!

Ford all the way baby!!!!!!

@Nitro: You're are always here at PUTC but can never accept the GM Trumping ( yes I said it) Ford in every performance comparison test. The F-sisters are always saying what they will do but never puts out.

Ford should be offering lifetime timing chain warranty on the eco-boost.

@ GMSRJUNK STOP BASHING THE NUMBER ONE TRUCK IN AMERICA AND MEXICO SO STOP IT. GO BACK TO YOUR HOLE.

What I would like to see is a graph to get a better idea of the torque curve.

Ford takes 5 spots with 5 different engines (the 3.5 HO is substanically different that the regular 3.5) in 5 different models. Sorry kids. Fiat is a close 2nd. Outside of the 6.6 DMax the GM line is a joke. The almost never built/offered or sold 6.2V8 available in the 1500s cant even hang with the regular 3.5 V6 EB (that's EVERYWHER) let alone the Raptors high output 3.5. The 5.3 coming in last (behind the 5.0 V8 is also sad. Still GM has no And no modern V6. Fiat has very respectable showing and placements with their V6 Echo diesel and 5.7. The Ecodiesel proving innovation and performance (as long as its found to not be cheating in the current investigation). Yea the baby dmax almost placed but so what. Its not offered in the full size and full size is where its at. GM NEEDs modern DOHC, turbo, DI, engines in its lineup... its pathetich they don't. Ford has PROVEN modern engines in trucks make sense time to again follow behind and catch up... but hell almost a decade and they still lag. How long before GM thinks about dropping 500lbs of pointless body weight with aluminum... Ford's proven that too. They are lagging so so badly. But hey if they go out of business again theres always free taxpayer funds.

@Clint,

Easy there, you might of angered the entire GM Nation when you said, DOHC, Turbo and DI, they are none to keen on the subject.

Looks like Ford and Chevy's tow number ratings with plenty of spring dust to sprinkle around. lol Dyno results,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emJcrYuJArg&t=10s

Ram, 338hp 828tq

Ford, 387hp 806tq

Chevy, 337hp 771tq

DOHC, Turbo and DI

Posted by: Frank | Jun 15, 2017 1:33:47 PM

Wasnt that a Ford Tarus engine?

Fellas,
Ford and GM (I think) limit the torque output in the lower gears to preserve the drivetrain. So, these diesels have so much torque, I'd guess what you are reallly seeing here is how good the software that controls all this really is. There is so much torque in any of these trucks, I think they'd twist the driveshafts out if it wasn't for the computers.

Fellas,
Ford and GM (I think) limit the torque output in the lower gears to preserve the drivetrain. So, these diesels have so much torque, I'd guess what you are reallly seeing here is how good the software that controls all this really is. There is so much torque in any of these trucks, I think they'd twist the driveshafts out if it wasn't for the computers.

@Mark,
In lieu of dyno tests, find the minimum maximum weight that all of these trucks can tow (e.g. - 10k trailer) and run acceleration tests up a long steep hill. Turbos will have advantage at higher elevations.

New Torque numbers for the 2018 F150:

2.7 Ecoboost = 400TQ
5.0 Coyote = 400TQ

Easy there, you might of angered the entire GM Nation when you said, DOHC, Turbo and DI, they are none to keen on the subject.

Posted by: Frank | Jun 15, 2017 1:33:47 PM

Right that's why GM has DOHC, Turbo and DI engines, FAIL!

HAHAHA!!!...Ford mopping the floor with all other truck brands;
5 spots with 5 different engines in 5 different models.............

Now that's what I call Trumping the competition!!! :-))

The Powerjoke in the King Recall is way overrated. Real world testing proves it.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2017/05/whats-the-best-34-ton-premium-truck-for-2017.html

Right that's why GM has DOHC, Turbo and DI engines, FAIL!

Posted by: johnny doe | Jun 15, 2017 3:20:42 PM

Show me a Silverado or Sierra with this, we're waiting, hurry up TRVLLZILLA!

Show me a Silverado or Sierra with this, we're waiting, hurry up TRVLLZILLA!

Posted by: Frank | Jun 15, 2017 6:03:32 PM

All model year 2014 and newer Silverado's have DI and variable valve timing. They don't need a Turbo or DOHC.

Show me a Silverado or Sierra with this, we're waiting, hurry up TRVLLZILLA!

Posted by: Frank | Jun 15, 2017 6:03:32 PM

They do use them, look across Chevy, GMC, Buick, and Cadillac's engine line ups. Either way you fail Ford clown!

HAHAHA!!!...Ford mopping the floor with all other truck brands;
5 spots with 5 different engines in 5 different models.............

Now that's what I call Trumping the competition!!! :-))

Yeah but real world testing always shows Ford in 2nd or 3 place.

No use talking to a ford clown, they believe anything ford tells them. There all IDIOTS.