LOTS of catching up to do... Using aluminum, turbos, diesels, smaller smarter engines, DOHC, putting cameras everywhere, tailgate steps... Anything with the rear suspension? So far behind. But here is the kicker, is it me or on this tester did they copy the door sill drop Ford brought to light duty over a decade ago. If they did that's just priceless.

aluminum, turbos, diesels, smaller smarter engines, DOHC, putting cameras everywhere, tailgate steps Posted by: Clint | Sep 25, 2017

@Clint

do your homework. GM was first with aluminum (engines late 1950s) Overhead cam engines (early 1970s), tailgate steps (first gen Avalanche).

Still behind by years, title should be spied, 2010 chevy

@Nitro

GM will outsell Ford again this month, and again in 2017.

GM's stock continues to rise while Ford's is scraping bottom.

Whatever you might think is wrong with GM new pickups, the rest of the public ain't buying your viewpoint.

They really needed to focus on regular cab interior space. Need to get a max tow option for fleet models that is on par with what ford offers now. Engine wise the engines they currently have are great but they need to offer top optioned engines in the lower class models.

@bhd

the base V8 engine package in the 2017 offers up to five ton's towing capacity. Don't you think that anyone who regularly needs more than 10k pounds of towing capacity is better off with a 3/4 ton truck?

Not impressed.

GM is so far behind.

Not impressed. GM is so far behind.
Posted by: Jeff S | Sep 25, 2017

@the FAKE Jeff S

If you really want to copy Jeff S, learn to adopt his writing style. This attempt of yours is a total failure.

Not impressed. GM is so far behind.
Posted by: Jeff S | Sep 25, 2017

@the FAKE Jeff S

If you really want to copy Jeff S, learn to adopt his writing style. This attempt of yours is a total failure.

Was in the market this summer looking to replace my 2006 Sierra and test drove all the new trucks. My suggestion to folks would be to drive em yourself and the answer will become clear as day. The F150 is by far the superior product compared to the GM trucks. I was a GM man for almost 40 years and couldn't believe how much better the F150 was. Trying to compare either ecoboost to the 5.3 was a joke. I don't believe the 5.3 has the power that the numbers suggest. Dealers in my area did not have a 6.2 on the lot for me to drive, but doubt it would have swayed my decision.

Was in the market this summer looking to replace my 2006 Sierra and test drove all the new trucks. My suggestion to folks would be to drive em yourself and the answer will become clear as day. The F150 is by far the superior product compared to the GM trucks. I was a GM man for almost 40 years and couldn't believe how much better the F150 was. Trying to compare either ecoboost to the 5.3 was a joke. I don't believe the 5.3 has the power that the numbers suggest. Dealers in my area did not have a 6.2 on the lot for me to drive, but doubt it would have swayed my decision.

I laugh at all the haters who says GM is far behind?? How because they don't offer a turbo v6?? They don't need to because there 'BEST IN CLASS" V8's, get just as good or better fuel economy and performance.
If GM wanted to GO BACK to turbo charging they would have no problem with it bc we all know who well they did in the late 80's and 90's. They were munching up Ferrari's with their Cyclone's and Typhoon's!!! What did Ford have?? NOTHING!!!
Here is the article:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/gmc-syclone-vs-ferrari-348ts-archived-comparison-test

My hope is the 4.3L has 325 HP
5.3L has 400 to 425HP./..450TQ
6.2L has 450 to 475HP...525TQ

These are all very attainable

They need to have rear air vents and heated and cooled rear seats. There bumper steps are extremely nice and I hope they keep them bc you can use them even when your towing unlike some other "idiotic engineered truck" that's totally useless when towing!!

@papa, nobody beats the far superior F series, including GM, take your own advice, do a little research. You combine all GM products to beat Ford. Ford does not have a mid size truck, yet you need to add the twin small trucks to beat Ford, as it is the only way for you to feel good. GM does not make a truck, they own several brands, since Ford makes 1/2 ton and up only, they beat the twins. Get over it....sorry you will need to defend once again.

As TNT stated, chevy has nothing new. The 6.2 nobody buys due to the premium gas need, big fail there. What Chevy needs is a comparable ecoboost engine, and some electronics post 1995 to compete with the far superior F series. Sorry you will need to defend.

I see the 5.3 sitting around ~380 hp/415 torque on regular and the 6.2 going to 450 hp/480 torque on premium.

GM needs to work on the torque management of their trucks, the dead pedal feel is horrible on these trucks. And I agree tith TNT, they need rear air vents, and improve on their heated and vented seats in the front before moving to the back. The GM trucks I've driven have hands down the worst heated/vented seats on the market.

Where is the proof that GM is outselling Ford trucks every month? This site suggests otherwise, in fact RAM outsells Chevy some months! You can have your GM stock that will be worth nothing once they go broke again.

GM trucks appeal to people who like traditional. Atleast compared to ford. Fords direction does not appeal too many but does to the majority. And that is fine. Im glad bashing a brand of vehicle on the internet makes people feel better about themselves. Perhaps these online bashers should put that energy towards something productive like working overtime and paying off your trucks you all say you have.

I wish GM would bring back the old model names. Cheyenne, Scottsdale, Bonanza for the different trim levels.
Calling everything Silverado sticks in my craw.
What sounds better Silverado WT or Custom Deluxe?
SIlverado LS or Chevrolet Bonanza?

Perhaps these online bashers should put that energy towards something productive like working overtime and paying off your trucks you all say you have.
Posted by: Alberta_Oil | Sep 25, 2017

@Alberta Oil

Do folks call you Alberta for short? Your comments make you sound like the ultimate A-hole F-you!

@papa, some pretty harsh words there, maybe you should leave.

Again, I wish GM would introduce a new technology or component across the lineup. The 10-speed will be available on some premium models. I thought the purpose of codeveloping this transmission was to save cost. If GM saved money up front, why not roll it out. Let's the honest the 5.3 needs the 8 speed or the 10. The engine is held back by the old 6 speed and they continue to use it despite what everyone says about it. I cannot bring myself to buy a new GM product when they cheap out on technology. I should have to buy a Yukon Denali XL or Escalade ESV to get the most capable powertrain version in the large SUV. Ford doesn't use this approach.......we'll see how the new Expedition MAX does.....

Hahaha lol @ papajim.

Gm definitely needs to work on their engines. I remember the vortec engines to me performed a lot better than the new Ecotec engines. Yes Ford's ecoboost engines run circles around all engines offered in the Silverado. Ram hemi is a lot stronger than the 5.3 v8. I guess they are still durable like their engines in the past but when it comes to power delivery Chevy sucks.

Must be the camo or perhaps just me, but the side views of this truck have odd proportions. Anyone else see that? There may be blocking under the fabric to throw off the body lines as well

I see GM's sticking with their double-edge sword formula of low roof height for better aero at the cost of interior room. Under that vinyl may lurk shades of the '73 rounded square design.

Overall, except for the Ford-catalyzed updates, this is definitely an evolutionary effort.

@ Bernard

The ecoboosts don't run circles around the V8s of GM. My step dad has the 3.5l ecoboost...i get better fuel economy pulling and regular driving with my 5.3L than him. Now drag race, yes he wins but I could care less about that. Plus I know my 5.3L is proven motor and that's all I care about.

I do agree with everyine that GM need a to expand its 6.2L into lower trim models.. .ford does an excellent job of that

papa dim--If you want me to stop to your level, I
won't do it. It is obvious you can't handle the truth so there is nothing else to say. The Silverado is a fine car, just not impressive and is way behind the competitors. I will be at TTAC if anyone wants to reach me.

Your comments make you sound like the ultimate A-hole F-you!

Posted by: papajim | Sep 25, 2017 9:57:29 AM

Pot meet kettle.

@ Bernard

The ecoboosts don't run circles around the V8s of GM.

Now drag race, yes he wins but I could care less about that. Plus I know my 5.3L is proven motor and that's all I care about.

Posted by: TNTGMC | Sep 25, 2017 11:46:24 AM

lol, the irony is good on this one.

I feel like GM is late to the party with everything too. I've had, between work trucks and personal trucks, a 2001 GMC 1500, 2006 dodge 2500 diesel (still my favorite truck, wish I still had it), a 2010 1500 and 2500 dodge ram (still own the 1500), 2014 Chev 1500 (least favorite) and a 2017 GMC 1500 (so far, so good).

Right now, I'm leaning Ford for my next personal truck. I've test drove every 2017 half ton there is, and if I had a gun to my head, I'd pick the F150. My 2017 Sierra is my work truck and while I like it, even in the SLE trim, compared to XLT trim in the Ford, the F150 is just... nicer. Everything feels more solid, higher quality. Even with all that aluminum. At higher level trim (SLT, Laramie, Lariat) the F150 still feels more well equipped, and beyond that, the Platinum F150 is a limousine.

I really want a half ton diesel though, so I'm patiently waiting to see what GM brings to the table. But I've got a pretty good feeling I'll be going Ford this time.

@ Frank

LOL!! Yes, but my idea of running circles isn't a drag race!
I want a proven truck with great performance, fuel economy, and longevity. Both GM V8's have proven that!! You can't argue with me about that!

If I wanted a drag race I would buy a camaro, which is on my list in 2 years!! ZL1 convertible!
And if I wanted a family hauler, I would buy the trackhawk.

papajim--This is not my comment but I agree with it.

You have really begun to sound like Michigan Bob.

I'm wondering??????

The reality is this. Those EcoSieze Ford engines do a pretty good job, even if Bose had to pipe in virtual V8 engine noises to make them palatable.

They might not be economical, but neither is any GM V8 or Hemi.

I do think once Ford copies FCA and drop the 3 litre V6 diesel in the Ford it might be worth looking at, if they can fix up the cheapasz plastic interior.

At the moment of the Big Three I like the Ram first, then the Ford if they can offer a diesel. Chev needs to do something to make it more attractive to the customer. This may be why GM sales of pickups have dropped.

GM is losing touch with its customer base

@tnt, both v8s? You mean the 6.2 is good on economy? Wow, did you ever drive one? My wife has a 45th anniv camaro, fuel mileage is horrid, but its too be since it drives like a drag car. Anyway, FE is non existent in my opinion, because I bet I can make your dads ecoboost get better than the v8 of chevy. I know its tough to do since the ecoboost is a rocket, but if you drive with some sense you can and will get good FE if thats what you're into.

Bottom line, chevy needs to step up their game. I agree the 5.3 was proven, but it appears that stopped in the past few years with the shakes, and the spark plug issues that are plaguing them now.

GM needs to homework. GM was first with aluminum (engines late 1950s) Overhead cam engines (early 1970s), tailgate steps (first gen Avalanche).All three of those Blew Big Chevy Chunks!
As always GM leads from behind.
"learning from Ford's implementation of aluminum with the redesigned F-150 and Super Duty."

@ Nitro

So sorry you have to constantly defend FORD!!! Sound like someone!!! GEEEZZ...My step dad drives the speed limit and my father in law and brother in law both have 3.5L ecoboosts and don't get anywhere near the gas mileage I do! I have my 5.3L retuned and it rockets just fine now. I have admitted that the 5.3l from factory is a little doggy, but for $350 I had the ECM and TCM retuned and its a whole another beast!

As for comparing a camaro for poor FE. I bet your wife can't keep her foot out of it because its such a BA car!! They munch mustangs all day long!! Great choice btw!!

I know a lot of guys with the 6.2l and 8 spd and they get great fuel economy. Plus, all the magazines have done a comparison and it's repeatedly beat the 3.5L in fuel economy

If you really want to copy Jeff S, learn to adopt his writing style. This attempt of yours is a total failure.
Posted by: papajim | Sep 25, 2017

@Big Jeff, @Big Al, BAFO etc.

this attempt of yours fails again.

Is that all you got? Your posts have failed again just like Chevy.

@tnt, I'm not defending you are, I know Ford is number 1. You do realize you told me to tell the wife to keep her foot off the gas, yet you mentioned ecoboost is fast but poor economy? Making no sense there sir. what is your version of good fe for the 6.2? 14? 16? Our work truck we used to have with that engine would get around 14 city. Hardly what anyone would call good.

I will soon be trading in my Superduty for one of those powerhouse Silverado Duramax trucks. I'm tired of showing up late to the boat launch and the RV park. I hate getting passed on the highway and up bills by those Rocket powered Silverado's. I'm just so tired of defending a truck company that spends more money on marketing than on R and D.

@ Nitro:
Wow, I didn't see that coming. Good for you.

@ Nitro

I have told you time and time again my step dad, father in law and brother in law do not drive fast!! They drive speed limit. the ecoboosts never get there FE numbers...open your fixed mindset for one minute!!!

Yes, the 6.2L can get good gas mileage. Look up recent articles and see what they have gotten. Your argument about 14 mpgs in city is hilarious. How much of that time is idle time, traffic, ect, ect...think about it...14 is pretty good then, you make no sense!!

Atleast your wife has good taste in vehicles !

@tnt. sorry you have to continue to defend the horrid twins, all the while the far superior F series continues to dominate, best in class payload, towing, FE, technology.

@gms, sorry you have to use my name, then mysteriously post 8 minutes later.....I would do the same if I could no longer talk about the gm twins in a positive light.

Yep, as they are so far behind, guess they have no choice but try keep up/copy & follow the leader, Ford...41 yrs & counting...LOL

Also those pics confirm the square wheel wells are now rounded off...well slightly. But that is actually good news for the shaky chevy fangirlies, it proves GOVT motors are finally listening...HAHAHAHA!!!

Now if they can only improve their square barge design with tiny wheels, off-centered stirring, outdated power plants, etc etc etc...

@ Nitro

Your comments explains your intelligence!

@ Lionel

BEST V8's in there class. what does ford have?? Gerbil engines that blow timing chains and claim to have best everything!!! But actually don't...kinda sounds like their Super Duty and we all know what happened there!!! DONT WE!!

"GM's stock continues to rise while Ford's is scraping bottom.

Whatever you might think is wrong with GM new pickups, the rest of the public ain't buying your viewpoint.

Posted by: papajim"

Please explain why you keep bragging about the performance of GM stock and how that relates to their pickups selling well. There stock is still below the all-time high it hit on 12/16/2017 and only 15% above where it first hit the market on 11/15/2010. That is pretty poor performance, not even keeping up with inflation. Maybe it does relate after all.

@ Nitro

My step dad drives the speed limit and my father in law and brother in law both have 3.5L ecoboosts

Posted by: TNTGMC | Sep 25, 2017 1:13:30 PM

Do you trvll your IN-Laws and your Step Daddy like you do us at PUTC?

If not, why don't you. Sorry you don't have anyone to talk with at home.

My 2017 Sierra is my work truck and while I like it, even in the SLE trim, compared to XLT trim in the Ford, the F150 is just... nicer. Everything feels more solid, higher quality. Even with all that aluminum. At higher level trim (SLT, Laramie, Lariat) the F150 still feels more well equipped, and beyond that, the Platinum F150 is a limousine.

Posted by: OilersFan | Sep 25, 2017 12:00:44 PM

I can say without a doubt, my 2015 F-150 Lariat isn't any nicer than the current GMC Sierra.

The seats are hard as a rock and 2015+ F-150's have their own "chevy shake". Mine shakes so bad I've gotten sick on long trips. Ford cut the vibration in half but it's still bad enough that everyone asks me whats wrong with my truck. And after I was stranded in limp mode TWICE thanks to faulty electronic throttle bodies, I hate my truck.

My 08 Silvy runs perfect so Im not interested in new one,,unless they make it hybrid electric,,like Workhorse does..

While at it,,drop it down a bit,,2 wheel drive doesnt need to sit so high up..

I wonder if GM designers even own and use trucks to make it so impractical high for loading..

Also they should definitely make a regular cab Colorado Canyon

@ Frank

Because unlike you! I speak to my family and get along with them.even though they drive fords. We are honest with each other and gave a great time heckling one another about our brands.

Unlike you who has no.family, no friends because he is a vile, rude, clown @$$, who was picked on his whole life and now that we have social media...he gets his rocks off on it!!!

I see u still haven't played out in the street yet!!! Please do us all a favor and get playing old man!!

LOTS of catching up to do... Using aluminum, turbos, diesels, smaller smarter engines, DOHC, putting cameras everywhere, tailgate steps... Anything with the rear suspension? So far behind. But here is the kicker, is it me or on this tester did they copy the door sill drop Ford brought to light duty over a decade ago. If they did that's just priceless.
Posted by: Clint | Sep 25, 2017 6:38:10 AM

HAHAHA "smaller smarter engines" - the only SMART thing about the Ecoboost is all the money Ford makes on repair parts to keep those garbage engines running.

DOHC - Ford has demonstrated for nearly 27 years just why DOHC engines suck, especially for trucks. They have done nearly everything wrong with the modular V8's since their inception. They're physically larger, more difficult to service, have twice as many moving parts, cost more to build and yet FAIL to deliver any fuel economy benefit to the typical truck buyer.

"diesels" - Ford is following everyone else in both the half-ton and midsize diesel truck market. Ram's EcoDiesel may have reliability issues but they beat Ford there by years. And not only did Ford misread the midsize market, they're scrambling to get a diesel option for the US Ranger.

"tailgate steps" - Ford should feel embarrassed that they spent what must have been tens of millions of dollars developing that over-complicated tailgate step. The bumper step is an elegant and cheap solution, and more importantly, it works even with a 5th wheel trailer attached. Not to mention, guys look like Nancy's when they use that dorky grab bar.

Ford's use of aluminum only served to draw attention to the 2015+ F-150's weak beds. If you're going to talk up the "miltary-grade" aluminum alloy bed, you better make it thick enough to not rip apart under regular circumstances.

https://www.f150forum.com/f118/failed-2x6-through-aluminum-box-test-362524/
https://www.f150forum.com/f118/2015-up-bed-box-strength-386478/
https://www.f150forum.com/f118/3-ton-floor-garage-jack-vs-2017-f150-aluminium-box-394566/

[GM] stock is still below the all-time high it hit on 12/16/2017
Posted by: Walt | Sep 25, 2017 4:41:56 PM

@Walt

You are NOT an idiot. You just write like one.

GM stock did NOT hit an all time high in December because it is NOT December yet. In fact GM stock is having a great year and their dealers are selling TONS of trucks. Ford will be lucky not to get dunked by GM again in 2017