not a fan of warranties.

A warranty is where a guy gets YOUR money today, and in exchange you get his promise to do something IN THE FUTURE.

When it's time for him to do his part, he'll come up with a million ways that your expectations are NOT covered in the agreement. If Detroit offered me a way to buy my truck for less money and I agree to waive the warranty, I'd take that option every time. That way when the time comes to perform work, I'll choose the shop that I like and pay them to do what i want done, not what some guy in another city agrees to do.

If you drive a Ford you better have an extended warranty.

If you drive a Ford you better have an extended warranty.

Posted by: Cooper | Sep 14, 2017 1:36:28 PM

Ditto that.

If you drive a Ford you better have an extended warranty.

Posted by: Cooper | Sep 14, 2017 1:36:28 PM

Ditto that.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Sep 14, 2017 2:10:45 PM

There's a FEMA Camping for you.

We always buy the extended warranty. Sometimes we use it sometimes we don't. Wife's vehicle has 86,000miles. Thermostat went bad and tech notice oil seppage around the pan. Both covered under warranty including renting a car until it is fixed with $100 deduction. Front wheel bearing went out at 75,000 miles, covered also even though it is raised up.

@Frank

How many times did you attempt to pass the Fourth Grade in elementary school?

Frank you have a mental problem, must be carbon monoxide (CO2) poisoning from driving Ford's. Invest in a CO 2 detector.
http://www.fordproblems.com/trends/carbon-monoxide/

@papajim, must have taken you a few tries as well "Fourth Grade" doesn't need to be capitalized.

If you drive a GM you MUST have an extended warranty, preferably two.

@papajim that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I have never had an issue with a car company not honering a legit warranty issue. I have had several expensive repairs including a transmission with in the first year all covered no questions asked. If the company did not honor the warranty I would have them in court. A warranty is like an insurance policy. If you spend 60K on a brand new truck you know you won't have any major expenses for at least the length of the warranty unless you do something to destroy it yourself.

@papajim, must have taken you a few tries as well "Fourth Grade" doesn't need to be capitalized. Posted by: Cooper | Sep 14, 2017

@Cooper

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Actually, if you had any experience with this sort of thing you'd realize that the specifics of style and grammar are relative to the milieu.

Please see: The Elements of Style, Strunk & White 1918.

In this particular case (online comments submissions), the rules of grammar have been tweaked to accept the commonplace crap like LOL, BTW and other social media conventions.

Given the environment you'll let me skate on the cap rule. I'm sure if Messrs Strunk and White were still alive, they would.

@Frank

How many times did you attempt to pass the Fourth Grade in elementary school?

Posted by: papajim | Sep 14, 2017 3:04:33 PM

Looks like you didn't even complete basic grammar, Elementary and School is Capitalized. But it's ok, a typo on a phone is much more acceptable than your ignorance. That FEMA Camp is still waiting for you.

If you spend 60K on a brand new truck you know you won't have any major expenses for at least the length of the warranty unless you do something to destroy it yourself. Posted by: John | Sep 14, 2017

@John

A ridiculous statement you make (above). About 10 years ago I worked in the service department of a central Florida Mercedes dealership. Some of their customers spent well north of sixty grand on a Benz. I wish you could have heard some of the conversations I witnessed with service writers, customers and warranty folks on phone calls.

No manufactured product can be reasonably free of all defects in labor and materials. That's what warranties are for. Too many customers assume that warranties cover wear/tear.

Our service writers sold a ton of extended warranties at huge markup. And by the way, good luck taking GM or Ford to court over a warranty. That's a joke.

Looks like you didn't even complete basic grammar Posted by: Frank | Sep 14, 2017

@Frank

rather than reply to this topic again, I'll ask you to see the reply I gave to "Cooper."

Once you do that, get someone at your house to read it to you. Assuming they can read, that is!

@Frank

rather than reply to this topic again, I'll ask you to see the reply I gave to "Cooper."

Once you do that, get someone at your house to read it to you. Assuming they can read, that is!

Posted by: papajim | Sep 14, 2017 3:50:02 PM

We do not speak the Language of Ignorance at Home. Sorry, you'd have to crawl back under your rock. Go...on...git....

My father in-law got a brand new 2016 LT Z71 Silverado and he got the extended warranty because he said it'll pay for itself.

I'll pass on the extended warranty for my 2018 Platinum Tundra

Toyota has been my worst experience with warranty work. They denied warranty coverage for my nephew's Tacoma TRD Offroad after the rear diff failed - ripped about 8 teeth off the ring gear. We were out on a muddy logging road, the rear tires broke loose for a second, then grabbed hard. It only had 15k miles or so on it. The dealer said no problem at first, then the Toyota rep pointed out the mud on the transmission housing. He denied warranty coverage, saying the mud was a sign of abuse. I was so mad I probably had steam coming out of my collar.

One thing I realized while looking at it on the lift, is that Toyota uses a high pinion rear axle with a reverse cut ring gear. The teeth are also very skinny due to the 4.30 or 3.90 gearing that they use on a little 8" ring gear. No wonder these Tacomas have a history of diff problems. Very unimpressed.

@Grizz

The old tacos had weaker diffs, and he broke the rear diff while abusing the truck offroad. I doubt any manufacture would warranty that once they saw the truck had been abused via mudding.

My experience is completely different than yours, Toyota is the easiest to work with in my experience. They warrantied both CV axles after the boots tore on my 2014 Tundra @18k miles. The truck had a 7" lift, and Toyota still warrantied it. GM/Ford/Ram would never have warrantied it.

papajim spends his time on the other side of the fence if you no what I mean.

Well, I certainly exercised my Toyota warranty, to the tune of $15K. So yeah, I'm glad to see Nissan raising the game. Come time to shop for another truck, Nissan is at the top of the list--assuming their best in class warranty is still in play.

It all depends on the dealership. Some dealers are very csi driven and will give things away to get a good survey or keep a customer. Others can range from fair to a ripoff. You have to research your local dealers. At the Dealer I work at things have been good-willed or even bought buy the dealer just to stop a bad survey...We have a Precision Team that is very hard to meet and my dealer owner wants it meet every year so management will do what it takes sometimes to meet it. Last week a salesman even bought a customer a remote starter because of some confusion that the car came with one and he did want a bad survey. Probably effects some kind of bonus.

Also not all extended warranty's are the same. Manufacture ones are best, some will get you used parts. IF you get it covered.LOL

The best warranties are typically from least desirable or struggling manufacturers/models - Hyundai, Kia, Titan, etc.

typically from least desirable or struggling manufacturers/models - Hyundai, Kia...

@Ken

Seriously?

Are you kidding? Ford GM and Chrysler would all give their left n*t to have the product development and manufacturing expertise that the Koreans bring to the game. Where did you get the idea that Hyundai and Kia are struggling?

Had a new 1988 Toyota Xtra Cab 4X4. Had a stress fracture in the middle of the windshield from the top after 14 months. The factory rep blamed it on a micro star chip at the bottom of the passenger side of the windshield by the front fender. They refused to cover it. I told him that he won the battle but lost the war. He laughed at me & I have never bought any Toyota product since.

Where can I buy a pickup truck with the product expertise of a Korean?

Korea and Hyundai wanted to rebadge Ram pickups. Being that hey are such experts at product development. Anybody home Mcpapa? Think Jim. Think before you post.

Hyundai wanted to rebadge Ram pickups? Are you hanging your hat on a story that's almost 10 years old Jeff?

@Jeff S

Eight years ago RAM had a super competitive half ton truck (2009-2010) and Nissan was considered a suitor for a rebadge if I remember correctly. So, why not Hyundai?

This is around the time that Hyundai was getting ready to commit to building a plant near Montgomery Alabama and having an existing American partner would have been very attractive them. At the time demand for "gas guzzlers" was soft so such an arrangement might have been looking good to Chrysler's old owners too.

It certainly would have been more attractive (from a product development perspective) than one of the GMT355 trucks, which were already dogs in the market by that time.

@Papa Jim--If Hyundai has more expertise than Ford, they could have made a unique truck themselves instead of a Chrysler Corp rebadge.

I am not sold on them having more expertise. I think you pulled that out of thin air so you could start another argument. So tell me where I can buy the Korean pickup with the expertise than Ford.

Half of me wanted to see what a full size Hyundai would be like, and the other half didn't even want to know.

I am not sold on them having more expertise

@Jeff S

For fifteen years they've been able to get new ideas from the drawing board to the showroom in less than HALF the time it takes the big 3.

Maybe you're just not easily impressed. You would have liked something derived from the GMT 355 platform better perhaps.s The rest of the auto industry is very impressed with Hyundai's design and execution success and they work hard to copy it.

Half of me wanted to see what a full size Hyundai would be like, and the other half didn't even want to know. Posted by: Jeff S | Sep 15, 2017

@Jeff S

Do you often have the sensation that differing forces are competing to control you? Do you remember having these feelings during your early childhood?

It's not uncommon, but it can be dangerous if left untreated. Talk to your wife or your doctor. Better yet, we can discuss it here in the comments section where others can revel in your pain.

@papajim. The industry being impressed with Hyundai design has not translated into great sales numbers so the consumers say. Also please check facts before you post. The plant in Montgomery opened in 2006.

We do not speak the Language of Ignorance at Home. Sorry, you'd have to crawl back under your rock. Go...on...git....

Posted by: Frank | Sep 14, 2017 4:01:17 PM

Now it makes sense.

You just employ such language on the internet....

Are you kidding? Ford GM and Chrysler would all give their left n*t to have the product development and manufacturing expertise that the Koreans bring to the game. Where did you get the idea that Hyundai and Kia are struggling?

Posted by: papajim | Sep 14, 2017 8:42:12 PM

I don't tend to agree with you on this. i believe most Korean Industry is heavily subsidized by the Korean government yet and I have still yet to be impressed by the tech. False claims about mileage and the recent whistle blowing for defects does not give me great confidence in product. Cheap, yes. Well built or top of the line tech? Not so much to me.

One should never base their decision upon the warranty. Its an ancillary bonus/factor/concern at best. While most like to use it as an attempt to avoid doing research or honest assessment to hedge their bet, and feel better/secure they are a poor substitute for research and studying trends.

@Papa Jim--There you go, again. Starting an argument just for the sake of arguing. Get a hobby.

i believe most Korean Industry is heavily subsidized by the Korean government yet and I have still yet to be impressed by the tech. Posted by: andrwken | Sep 15, 2017

@andrwken

One of the commenters said that Hyundai and Kia "were struggling"

Today Hyundai is the fourth largest automaker in the world (see Wikipedia) and bigger than Ford, following only Toyota, GM and VW.

Auto industry folks whose opinions I respect tell me that Hyundai kicks butt in the product dev area, especially with regard to the speed that they're able to get product from design to showroom.

This particular point is critical because it's an area where Ford and GM continue to stumble and RAM cannot compete at all, as evidenced by their current products being vestiges of Chrysler's Daimler ownership ten years ago.

I've often criticized Ford in this particular regard because they are still attempting to compete in the fuel-economy area at a time when gas is cheap and buyers want big powerful cars/trucks/SUVs. I call it fighting the last war.

What Are the Best Car and Pickup Warranties?

Whatever one Papa Jim's family's dealership isn't selling. Do your own research. Don't be pressured by dealers.

We may have just learned what kind of cars Jim is heavily invested in Korean automobiles. This may also be why he hates Honda and Ford.

It has been speculated by long time Putc member, Jeff S, that papajim's postings are financially motivated.

Rest easy Ken.

The family dealership, as you have quaintly called it, was sold last year. It was a big 3 operation, in case you're curious. Sold tons of pickups. Not foreign cars.

@papajim. As usual you are wrong. Kia and Hyundai are struggling due to the issues with North Korea / China relationship. Through March Hyundai / Kia are down 11% year over year. Too 5 globally through March are Renault / Nissan, Volkswagen, Toyota, GM, Ford. Hyundai / Kia has dropped to 6th. On another topic, you always preach big CI is the only way to go but you yourself drive a weak azz 5.3. Where is your practice what you preach their old man?

@smokin'

cite some specifics.

Why should anyone believe your version of the facts unless you do?

And damn, please try a spell checker sometime.

A big part of why I bought my XD was Nissan's warranty.

I've had them fix a few small interior problems, I've been happy with it over the first 10k.

@Smokin

Sir you don't understand how to read.

Nissan is in alliances with a number of firms, but they are not owners, nor are they merged with them.

Some of Nissan's alliances include Dongfeng Motor Group, Daimler (Mercedes), Renault, AvtoVAZ (Russia) Ashok Leyland (india) and Mitsubishi.

Subtract Nissan and Renault from your list of six makes Hyundai the fourth largest auto maker. Don't doubt me.

@papa. Renault holds 43.4% stake in Nissan. I would suggest that is more than enough to combine them and the auto industry also recognizes that and combines their total output globally. Consider yourself doubted you GM nut hugger.

@Smokin

I won't lose sleep over failing to achieve your acceptance.

@papajim. I didn't expect you to admit you were wrong. You are so typical, deflect when called out. Man up or go home.

I've often criticized Ford in this particular regard because they are still attempting to compete in the fuel-economy area at a time when gas is cheap and buyers want big powerful cars/trucks/SUVs. I call it fighting the last war.

Posted by: papajim | Sep 15, 2017 9:21:35 AM

And in the pursuit of fuel economy, Ford's F-150 has become a truck known for poor fit and finish, weak beds, thinned out frames for 'lightness', and engines that are essentially junk once the powertrain warranty expires.

For anybody wondering what I mean by ecoboosts being junk after the warranty:
http://www.f150ecoboost.net/forum/31-f150-ecoboost-problems

@ mark Williams

Why doesn't Cars.com and company look at this warranty stuff a little deeper????

A little known fact unless your in the business about the Kia/Hyundai warranty to be specific..... that warranty they claim is on the "best" list doesn't transfer to even the second owner which means..................... They charge you for an extended warranty in the purchase price. So few people pick up on this or understand it. To take it one step further if you don't service at your Kia/Hyundai dealer they WILL NOT honor their warranty!!! Definitely makes them one of the worst companies for warranties yet Cars.com has them listed as one of the best??? I think maybe they should relook at this topic as it may very well misdirect people and cause Cars.com to lose some followers should anyone learn this the hard way.

Buying extended warranties is the same as term life insurance.
You're betting the costs to you are worth it if the ultimate happens. VERY SIMPLE. If you would rather pay $1,000. now for a future event that may cost you more...$1,500. $2,000. $5,000. or whatever then it may make since for peace of mind. But remember they are all negotiable and the deductible too.
I've had great ones and not used them, other times did not - and wished I did. But the manufactured warranties depend on too many happy face things to fall into place on some claims to depend on them too. Go in the dealer service department or a trusted mechanic shop and ask a service writer which warranties actually pay the smoothest and best. You get some good answers.