drove a titan today with the cummins, was very smooth. seems like a good engine/truck.

The ecodiesels are junk. A good friend of mine works at the dodge dealer where I live. He said they are having all kinds of problems with them. A lot of owners are seeking the lemon law with them.

Nice work, this will be great for Ram.

How much did that cost FCA in lost revenue, and shareholders, all because the EPA (and CARB?) turned their evil focus on them like the burning eye of Sauron? Overregulatory bureaucracy is out of control and no wonder why very few things are built here anymore, except expensive complicated vehicles.

@BD

The scary part is happening now in the blue states.

Bureaucrats who are losing their titles and budgets in DC are migrating to the state capitals in places like Hartford, Albany and Sacramento, where they are burrowing in for the long haul.

The ecodiesels are junk. A good friend of mine works at the dodge dealer where I live. He said they are having all kinds of problems with them. A lot of owners are seeking the lemon law with them.
Posted by: Dan | Oct 9, 2017 12:08:15 PM

Yeah they have a lot of problems. Engine failures due to main bearing failures is very common. I'm surprised the guy that wrote the "Chevy shake" article hasn't written one on all the Ecodiesel failures. There are TONS of them. FCA has changed the oil spec at least twice (some still fail on the latest oil spec). Some guys blame the 8-speed trans tune, oil coolers, etc. Some eat crank bearings at 20k miles, others at 60k miles.

http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-mechanical/8564-eco-diesel-engine-failures.html

Given the choice of a 5.7 hemi and a 3.0 diesel the answer is obvious unless your daily needs are really unique.

Hemi wins hands down. A lot of my friends have had Hemis and none has ever had a major issue with their truck's engine.

I wish FCA had retained the 4.7 gas engine as the base motor instead of moving to the 3.6

The 4.7 would have been a very solid performer with a six (or 8) speed trans.

I wonder if this will hurt FCA's reliability record? Eco diesels are really strong and very well built. I don't know why they don't sell a jazzilion of them. Haven't heard of any issues except for this recall thingy.

Wow. Not again. Im sorry but between the bad rep these engines already have and Ford's weird over-complicated and problematic ecoboost and modular engine designs I look over and wonder what chevy is doing with their v-8's.
Nothing....those engines work hard and theyre easy to work on. Who would've thought??

If I were ever...ever to go back to a domestic brand id buy an ls v-8 truck hands down. What an overpriced disgrace some of these half ton trucks have become. And people think nothing of buying the next generation of the same brand like they think it will be better.

"Im sorry but between the bad rep these engines already have and Ford's weird over-complicated and problematic ecoboost and modular engine designs I look over and wonder what chevy is doing with their v-8's.
Nothing....those engines work hard and theyre easy to work on. Who would've thought??" - Mvanbrunt

Amen. I had a lot of expensive problems with my 5.4 Triton and my 2013 Ecoboost had enough problems to make me change brands. Between the misfire problems, an expensive timing chain job at 73k miles, and a blown turbo at 88k, I've had enough of the Ecoboost. I never based my truck buying decision on 0-60 times. Seems like that's all Ford is interested in anymore. It definitely isn't reliability that they're after.

My old Ford trucks from the 70s and 80s always served me well. It's sad that Ford doesn't build reliable F-150's anymore. All the fancy tech just means more repairs. I don't need 4 cams or twin turbos. Give me an old-school pushrod V8 and I'd be happy.

Diesel engines are workhorses and they’re designed to be used a certain way i.e. the way you would use a tractor, semi or a train. I think in the long run, putting them in the hands of short jaunt drivers as daily commuters will result in people being turned off by the maintenance required when you don’t run them long and hot.

50,000 on my ecodiesel and not one issue, knock on wood.

The eco boost is a very good engine. We have several in the family with no issues. The 2012 has well over 100,000 on it.

The 2012 has well over 100,000 on it. Posted by: Dan | Oct 9, 2017

@Dan

My own trucks are all purpose but are rarely driven at or near capacity. Is your 2012 driven as a family car, or is it driven as a working implement?

The eco boost is a very good engine. We have several in the family with no issues. The 2012 has well over 100,000 on it.

Posted by: Dan | Oct 9, 2017 9:23:57 PM

LOL maybe there are unicorns out there but many of us have had awful experiences with Ecoboost engines. Your 2012 is at major risk of very expensive problems. Stretched timing chain or bad cam phaser expecially. High pressure fuel pump failures are common. Carboned up heads are common. Misfires are extremely common and will dilute your e time oil if you follow the normal oil change schedule.

I have yet had the opportunity to drive the EcoDiesel Ram, I've had a couple of dual cab 5.7s a two wheel drive and a 4x4 Longhorn as rentals.

Currently where I'm working we are running an EcoThirst Expedition a aluminium Coyote powered F150 and a Kia Sorento.

I have to say, the Ram wins hands down for comfort and power over the F150. I'm quite dismayed by the ride comfort in the F150, nearly as poor as my BT50, except the BT50 handles a lot better.

The Expedition has the worst suspension over irregularities.

Both the 5.7 Rams were a more refined and comfortable drive with oodles of power. Like the EcoThirst the Ram chews through the fuel.

But, the diesel 1500 Ram, I would love to rent if possible. Those VM V6 diesel are very well put together, even Banks are cranking over 600hp out of them, impressive engine.

My question is what are the "scheduled maintenance costs Hemi vs Diesel for the RAM??
I had heard Hemi maintenance was a bit high..

2017 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel arrive very late should be 2018 models should very early.

I'm quite dismayed by the ride comfort in the F150, nearly as poor as my BT50

@Big al

Are you referring to zero payload (ride) performance? A half ton pickup with little or no load in the back generally rides rough. Though the RAM half ton performs better with light load, it's also got a smaller capacity for payload than its competitors.

@Supercrew02, the Hemi Maintenance cost is low not that they went to 100,000 mile spark plug changes. It used to be 30,000K for changes and with 16 plugs it was quit expensive.

@papa, a halfton rides rough with no payload? You must be referencing GM products then with that statement, wow. every 1/2 ton I have ridden in has rode fairly well empty, now a 3/4 ton + different story. Maybe you should actually get out there and ride in some trucks before you make statements like that.

Please do not call me out now everytime I talk about trucks based on this comment.

I test drove 3 new F150s and they were a dream to drive. So smooth.

Maybe you should actually get out there and ride in some trucks before you make statements like that. Posted by: Nitro | Oct 10, 2017

@Nitro

You are such an A-hole.

I have driven more trucks by accident than you've even seen in your developmentally backward lifetime.

Why not stick to the story instead of your constant personal attacks?

@papa, did you hold the mirror in front of you as I asked? I thought so. Sorry man, you have proven to all your lack of knowledge on trucks, epic fail, after that statement it is now safe to say you have no merit from this day forward, anything you say will now be remembered as a major lack of knowledge without ever having actual experience on trucks. You may now leave and go back tot he bicycle forums where you belong, this site if for people who actual own and drive trucks.

@nitro, yes I held the mirror in front of me when I said you ahole, as I made a personal attack, at the same time asking why you make personal attacks. I am such a hypocrite I know, I will leave you all-BYE

@papa,makes sense, I was wondering why you were telling me to not personally attack you, then you call me an ahole, which is contradicting what you just said. Man you keep impressing me on the lack of knowledge part. Nice work, now GIT!

Wow just wow....

Back to the topic at hand....wait what...who cares.

How much did that cost FCA in lost revenue, and shareholders, all because the EPA (and CARB?) turned their evil focus on them like the burning eye of Sauron? Overregulatory bureaucracy is out of control and no wonder why very few things are built here anymore, except expensive complicated vehicles.

Posted by: BD | Oct 9, 2017 12:49:09 PM

You said it buddy. We end up paying for this.

I test drove 3 new F150s and they were a dream to drive. So smooth.
Posted by: Sierra | Oct 10, 2017 11:39:46 AM

Just another sign of how soft Ford has made the F-150 over the last few years (other than the really awful hard, cheap seats). They downgraded the front suspension from tough forged steel components to wimpy stamped steel parts. The rear leaf spring packs are so soft the trucks sag with a real payload in the bed, drag the bumper on the ground, and point the headlights into the eyes of oncoming traffic.

The 2012 is used for everything from daily commutes to work on the farm. Motor sounds the same as the day it left the dealer lot. Not worried about it in the least. If take care of stuff properly and drive it hard once in awhile it will last along time. Also still have an old 5.4 still running strong at 174000. No Ford has ever let me down

@Dan, sorry still trying to understand...from the sound of it, your truck is a commuter that is only used at or near its capacity rarely.

Not a discussion about brand. Just trying to understand the way it's used. It makes a difference in the discussion about turbo engines and their long term cost of ownership.

@Dan, sorry still trying to understand...from the sound of it, your truck is a commuter that is only used at or near its capacity rarely.

Not a discussion about brand. Just trying to understand the way it's used. It makes a difference in the discussion about turbo engines and their long term cost of ownership.

@Dan, sorry still trying to understand...from the sound of it, your truck is a commuter that is only used at or near its capacity rarely.

Not a discussion about brand. Just trying to understand the way it's used. It makes a difference in the discussion about turbo engines and their long term cost of ownership.

@Dan, sorry still trying to understand...from the sound of it, your truck is a commuter that is only used at or near its capacity rarely.

Not a discussion about brand. Just trying to understand the way it's used. It makes a difference in the discussion about turbo engines and their long term cost of ownership.

@papa Jim

He said he uses it for work on the farm. You missed that or are twisting again. What do you do with your weak 5.3 2wd besides drive to Golden Corral and Radio Shack? Sorry you are hijacking the thread and sorry you still feel the need to defend by being so petty.

Years of frustration will do that to GM and Papa Jim.

Not a discussion about brand. Just trying to understand the way it's used. It makes a difference in the discussion about turbo engines and their long term cost of ownership.

@Dan

Is this a brand discussion for you? This particular article is about Ram trucks, not Fords.

Have you ever been known as Nitro, or Frank, or Jeff S (the fake one) or Big Al?

Just curious.

@papajim, based on your previous comments and lack of knowledge, your statements have been disregarded

papajim,
Yes, zero payload, like pickups mostly operate. Most pickups sold are a daily driving passenger vehicle, hence the dual/crew cabs.

The vast majority of pickups tow little and carry less.

As stated...it gets used on the farm and has pulled heavy loads exceeding the rated capacity. Smart? No but sometimes your in a bind and do what you have to do. No truck is perfect and if you abuse any one of them at some point they will fail. Bottom line is the Ford's have held up extremely well.

Papa got owned.

Papa got owned. Posted by: Frank | Oct 11, 2017

@Frank, Nitro, Dipsh*t, BAFO

Owned?

The "it's all government's fault" crowd knuckle drags themselves out of the tiki torch lit darkness to whine about a recall.

@LouBC

Good to see you back at PUTC!

Re: Government

I think the government vs private investment argument has never been more clearly illustrated than the ways that Washington has F'd up the engineering of America's passenger cars and trucks during the last 30 years.

Without government support the Big 3 would have all taken a dump during my lifetime.

Have over 65k on our 2014 jeep eco-diesel. 30 plus on hwy and zero issues !!!

Thank your reviwe your Ram .... i'm exciter with you

2016 Ram 1500 Eco Diesel failed.. purchased new August 2016, drive 1000 miles per week doing Real Estate "Landman" work, no trailer. Engine went without warning "metal on metal" March 23, 2018 at 80,779 miles. Currently waiting on dealer to replace engine. I took extra care with this truck for maintenance. Dealer oil & filter changes. I am 59 years old and do not "Hot Rod" or abuse my vehicles. There is a design issue.