Who would possibly tow with this mall crawler? An old grandpa trying to blow all his kids inheritance on an ugly truck? Does anyone else not see how ugly and pathetic the GM twins are? They're making jokes out of tricks by releasing these Mickey Mouse things!

@ Robert

I think the GM twins are fantastic looking trucks. Now the GMC looks a lot better!

So is the Limited and Platinum F150 mall crawlers too, or are u just being biased bc its a GM truck??

Opinions vary, good thing there is more than 1 truck manufacturer

I may not like everything about this truck's looks but I would tow anything all day long with it. Oh, by the way, screw the kids it's my money!

Both trucks look great.They will sell.I have owned GM trucks all my life but due to not knowing what is coming it looks like the new RAM will be my choice.
Sorry GM but this screwing around with the total package that will be available has me pretty upset.

Does anyone else not see how ugly and pathetic the GM twins are?

Posted by: Robert | Mar 9, 2018 7:51:02 AM

Nope! It's just you Robert.

I'm on board with Jim about toying around. Give us the power figures already!! I don't understand what is taking so long or what the wait is all about.
Its the exact same thing Ford does with its trucks and the release of the mustangs....always hinting at a total # but never give it.

That's one thing I have always admired about Dodge and Ram. They put some of the biggest motors in their vehicles and say scr@w everyone else....here it is!

Note to self. Do not think you can tow anything near the rated capacity on this or any other halflton and not expect problems.

-CT

Great looking truck with some very interesting features.
Should bring customers into the showrooms.

Note to CT

It's impossible to memo "self" on a website where your thoughts can be observed by thousands of others.

Second, Mr Williams article regards the latest convenience features that GM is offering on some of its trucks. Please tell us what that has to with capacities or ratings?

CT is funny, I saw him driving his F250 4X4 towing a 10 ft trailer with a D110 John Deere riding mower and he thought he was over loaded

@crunchtime
I regularly tow at and above the capacity of my truck hauling seed and harvested vegetable crops from my farm. I have yet to EVER lose a transmission in any truck I've owned or have any major problem due to towing in 30 years. And I have owned all of the big three usually for 150 to 250,000 miles. I know a guy that put 6 transmissions in the same truck over about ten years towing smaller loads than I did with the same truck I owned. Yes 6. If you know what you are doing you can easily tow to the listed ratings and beyond, but if you drive like a maniac like many people do you will have problems

Papajim- because like normal people do with trucks, they go,"Hey I can go tow anything with this truck", that is not the case. everything has to do with tow ratings.

-CT

Lyin' Robert is just as pathetic as the trucks he's talking about.

Beebe, thats funny right there. My only experience has been towing a 4500lb boat. With only 45k miles on my truck, the tranny kept overheating. Dealership that replaced it told me the problem is not the weight itself, but because I towed it over very long distances and they are not meant to do that. that makes sense, because the over temp alarms came on after towing more than 10 hours without stopping other than for gas. I dont drive it hard at all.

-CT

For those who don't like what GM has to offer when it comes to their specs or even their looks, stop waisting your time, reading articles on something that you would never buy or doesn't interest you. I don't like Ford's period, so I don't waist time reading up on anything they may have to offer, it's just that easy for me.

Junk junk junk all way!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I really like the new GMC. I have a 2105 Denali with the 6.2 and 8 speed. This truck is amazing. It’s Powerful it gets great fuel mileage and it’s Fast. Some of these comments are so funny. I tow with mine I’m 43 for the idiot up top that says who will tow with it. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. My choice is GM because to me they look great and have the best engine on the market.

Enough with this Garbage Motors propaganda. Can you post news about the 2019 Ford Raptor using the engine 7.0 V8 plz? There is some rumors in the internet about for using a 7.0 Engine in the 2019 Ford Raptor so can pickup trucks do so research on it ? That would be some lovely news. Thanks

Note to self. Do not think you can tow anything near the rated capacity on this or any other halflton and not expect problems.

-CT

Posted by: crunchtime | Mar 9, 2018 9:02:27 AM

Know your trucks ratings and follow the owners manual on towing procedures and settings (eg. Engage tow haul mode, manually select a lower gear when towing)

Very impressive stuff. I really like what GMC has done on the new trucks. In my opinion it is very nice looking.
I bet with the Inline Diesel it will be an RVers dream. Smooth torque, diesel exhaust brake, and great fuel economy, combined with an impressive towing package.
This truck is not designed for mall crawling, it is equipped to tow with safety in mind. Perfect for the 40+ crowd.

Know your tow rating.. around here DOT pulls over pick ups with trailers.. if your over weight your getting a ticket and a tow bill.
Chevy ford whatever you like.. I so tried of this one is junk
Great for your thoughts but I don't care what you think.
Personally I don't like RAM because it's not an American company. It's a fiat.. see I'm pretty sure if you do like RAM you don't care who owns the xomoaby

Why can't GM offer all the good tow stuff in a more basic truck. Some of us actually use a truck as a truck, I don't need leather or all kind of electric gizmos. I just want to tow (currently own 3 GMC) but it looks like they are going to price me into a Dodge.

both the 2017 Silverado and Sierra made the Consumer Reports WORST USED CAR LIST

@ Ecoboost Rules

Scr@w consumer reports!

Ill take my small block V8 over your junk ecobust anyday of the week. Talk to me in 5 years when my truck has over 100K miles and no issues and yours has thrown a timing chain and whatever else that gerbil engine can't handle.

Nice Truck! Nice features! But AGAIN, the grill hood combo got taller, so that will clearly steer many to the midsizer. I can hear them now: just put camera's on the front too so it is easier to park. All this gadgetry is nice, but it will cost $, and doubly when it breaks down out of warranty. Clearly, your money, and spend it however you like. The front end presence of the GM's and Ford's is ginormous, compared with Ram and Tundra. Hopefully RAM/Tundra don't feel compelled to follow, since we need them to keep GM/Ford in check to not go bigger, or keep them aware that not everyone is in love with their ginormous fronts.

Will this trailering package be available on the Chevy Trail Boss?

Note to self. Do not think you can tow anything near the rated capacity on this or any other halflton and not expect problems.

-CT

Posted by: crunchtime | Mar 9, 2018 9:02:27 AM

This the first and only time I have to agree with Crunchtime.
The tow ratings are over inflated, especially Ford 150. Sure you can tow 13000 lbs from one end of a field to the other end, or one field to another.
Can you imagine using an F150 pulling a 10,000 to 13,000 lbs camper trailer in northern Canada up and down twisty mountain roads 50mph for 5 to 8 hours. Oh and add some wind to that factor. Not safe at all. !!! Can you do it for a while.? Sure. Still not safe. And that truck will not last long. A flat bed trailer with trailer brakes on a flat road maybe.!

With that in mind somthing like this would a good torcher test for these trucks.
My money would be on GM 6.2.

Why can't GM offer all the good tow stuff in a more basic truck. Some of us actually use a truck as a truck, I don't need leather or all kind of electric gizmos. I just want to tow (currently own 3 GMC) but it looks like they are going to price me into a Dodge.

Posted by: Michael Meuninck | Mar 9, 2018 1:12:35 PM

It does say the tow package is available across the whole lineup.

Tow numbers are a great baseline but the real issue is a driver that understands what he's doing.

Perfect case in point,

I was towing an enclosed trailer, which was well below the tow ratings of my truck. After two hours on the road on a hot summer day, into a strong headwind, I noticed the transmission temp was starting to climb. Vehicle was stable, engine was working fine but trans was heating up. Not overheating but climbing into the 200F range which does not happen in this truck normally. A little research through the gauges and displays and I realized the dual A/C system was on. I switched off the rear A/C and watched the trans temp immediately drop down.

Root cause?

A/C condenser was limiting the capability of the radiator and even with dual trans coolers via tow package, the radiator and aux cooler were falling behind. With just the one A/C system running, the trans never heated up. Turned the rear back on and hour later the temp was climbing again.

Just goes to show that you can do everything that the OEM recommends and you can still outrun the systems on your vehicle. Someone could trash the trans fluid over time by not watching the temps with trans failure to follow. Any time spent over 180F I believe shortens the life of the fluid.

You still need to pay attention and adjust to conditions.

Why can't GM offer all the good tow stuff in a more basic truck. Some of us actually use a truck as a truck, I don't need leather or all kind of electric gizmos. I just want to tow (currently own 3 GMC) but it looks like they are going to price me into a Dodge.

Posted by: Michael Meuninck | Mar 9, 2018 1:12:35

Michael, the good tow stuff is/are available in all models. So you can get a work truck without having to go leather.

Was leaning Ford until the new GM's were revealed. I like the Denali interior upgrades over the Silverado, but I don't like the wheel wells at all compared to the Silverado. I have been towing trailers for years, our longest was a 35' which I towed with a Silverado 2500 Diesel. We now have a Suburban, but would love to upgrade to one of the GM's with the towing tech gear, most of that stuff would be quite useful. I would either want the 3.0 diesel, or the 6.2. I once owned a Ram, but it was such a piece of ****, that I got rid of it within the first 6 months, but I REALLY liked the looks of it. Never have owned a Ford truck, but I did own a Ford car once, and it was as reliable as anything that I have ever owned.

@TNTGMC

"Scr@w consumer reports!"
You do realize you're really taking aim at your fellow GMC owners and Chevrolet owners. After all Consumer Reports is simply compiling the feedback that comes from the owners who report their experiences in owning those vehicles You may be the fortunate one who is had a great ownership experience other people not so much.

This is not my cup of tea.

TNTGMC

There are no problems with the F-150 Eco-Boost
In the Consumer Reports Worst Used Car List there are NO F-150's listed.
So wouldn't you think when the best selling truck, selling over 700,000 a year would have problems with the Eco-Boost engine it would be listed on the Worst Used List ?
To be fair here are the other pickups listed under the Worst Used Car List:
Silverado 2500HD -2011
Silverado 3500HD -2011-2013
Colorado -2015 to 2016
Ford F-350 -2008
GMC Sierra 2500HD -2011
GMC Sierra 3500HD -2011-2013
GMC Canyon -2015 to 2016
Ram 1500 -2014 to 2015
Ram 2500 -2013 to 2015
Ram 3500 -2012, 2014 to 2016

the ONLY Ford Truck was the 2008 F-350
NO F-150 was on that list

TNTGMC

ut oh! forgot one

Toyota Tacoma -2016

add that to the Worst Used List

Think of it this way:

there are 3 times MORE F-150 Eco-Boost Engines out there on the road today since 2011 than all other pickup truck engines combined
If you say that Eco-Boost Engines have problems so wouldn't you say it's a much lower percentage of problems since there are 3 times more of those engines out there?

yea, maybe the Ram 5.7 and the Silverado 5.3 engine is trouble free but what about the transmission failures? Ohhh you don't want to talk about that?
What about the tie rods falling off the Ram or the ecu and electrical problems of the Silverado?
huh? ohhh lets not talk about that !

Think of it this way:

there are 3 times MORE F-150 Eco-Boost Engines out there on the road today since 2011 than all other pickup truck engines combined
If you say that Eco-Boost Engines have problems so wouldn't you say it's a much lower percentage of problems since there are 3 times more of those engines out there?

yea, maybe the Ram 5.7 and the Silverado 5.3 engine is trouble free but what about the transmission failures? Ohhh you don't want to talk about that?
What about the tie rods falling off the Ram or the ecu and electrical problems of the Silverado?
huh? ohhh lets not talk about that !

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Consumer reports seems to rely a lot more on internal opinion these days than facts or maybe bought results....

In 2016, consumer reports rated the f-150 as the only truck rated as not recommended due to declining reliability.

What changed? The truck didn't.

The ecoboost engines from 2011-2014 are known to have the same build quality issues as the 5.4. the camtrain issues and water pump issues will toss this engine in the do not buy used rating that the mid 2000 5.4's get. As for the current gen 3.5, time will tell.

Show me all the reports of failing Ram and GM transmissions. The only trans issues I see with any manufacturer is shifting issues, and a lot of that I think is people get annoyed with all the busy shifting of the 8 and 10 speeds now out there. I have a friend who complains about his truck searching too much and wishes it still had a 4 speed.

3x more ecoboosts than any other engine? Pull some hard data on that. Considering a lot of those trucks had 5.0's in them I would bet your fluffing numbers again. I would also bet the most popular engine is still a 5.3. Basically the only engine put in the GM trucks in that era and the sales numbers are close enough. I still see a lot of 5.0 f-150's even in the last 3 years of aluminum.

Papajim- because like normal people do with trucks, they go,"Hey I can go tow anything with this truck", that is not the case. everything has to do with tow ratings...Posted by: crunchtime | Mar 9, 2018

I'll try and be charitable. The article is not about tow ratings. Comments are expected to be about the article.

Truck owners are not the only drivers who use their vehicles in such inappropriate ways.

Unless you're ready for the government to manage EVERY bleeping thing we do, then we have to simply accept the fact that some drivers are dummies.

@ ecoboost

If your ecoboosts are so good. How come Ford is charging more now foenthe V8 5.0L?? BC they know there not all cracked up like there supposed to be. I'll trust my buddy who is lead Ford mechanic and die hard Ford guy! Even he wouldn't dare buy an ecoboost

TNTGMC

the 5.0 V8 in the F-150 is a piece of sh@t
the 3.5 NON-TURBO is better and just as powerful
Ford uses the 3.7 V6 NON-TURBO in their Transit 250 and 350 vans that not only have a much higher GVWR but can tow more.

I told you I would admit the 5.3 V8 Silverado is a good engine, it's better than the 5.0 in the F-150
but if you took the 4.3 V6 for a ride in the Silverado you wouldn't tell the difference.

You need to get out of the past of 30 years ago cause the V8 engine is a dinosaur
Nobody is impressed what your V8 sounds like, just because it sounds strong doesn't mean it is strong.
Time to wake up and adapt to the V6 engine for a full size truck.
The only reason the mechanics don't like the Eco-Boost cause they have no self confidence in themselves cause they don't understand the technology of such an advanced engine. They are afraid to work on it cause they don't understand it.

@ Ecoboost Rules --- the 3.5 NON-TURBO is better and just as powerful
What have you been smoking?

I can tell you about my 2016 F150 Ecoboost i have had since new. As a daily driver around town it gets 16mpg. Straight hiway i am lucky to get 21mpg per tank . when i tow our 4000 lb boat and trailer it gets 9mpg. So as far as fuel economy it is far from ECO. When towing it has to really rev to keep up speed on any hills. The seats are NOT comfortable in the front , leather seems a little cheap.
A few dash rattle have begun from the plastic that all manufactures are using.
As far as reliability i have had several reflashes for poor transmission shifting. I have had a turbo boot failure, a radiator that split at a seam, rear pinion seal leak, and a transfer case switch replaced.What concerns me the most is how flimsy the body panels seem. The whole door panel flutters when you close the door.
I was going to trade for a new Diesel V6 F150, but now that GM is coming out with 3.0L Inline diesel and a better looking truck , i will be falling off the Ford bandwagon and going GMC.

I towed my boat to the lake the other day with my nieghbors 2017 Canyon 2.8L Duramax diesel, wow, was i surprised, it towed effortlessly up hill at 2200 rpm, so no engine noise , very comfortable experience, the kicker was it got 19 mpg towing there, on the way back it was getting low to mid 30 mpg empty. Very impresive truck.

I told you I would admit the 5.3 V8 Silverado is a good engine, it's better than the 5.0 in the F-150
but if you took the 4.3 V6 for a ride in the Silverado you wouldn't tell the difference.

Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Mar 10, 2018 2:32:14 PM

The problem with the current 5.3 is that it is being neutered on the low rpm range for the sake of minor improvements in mileage. While it is reliable I get why guys with turbocharged engines would call it a dog. The motor can be tuned or updated reasonably to blow a 3.5 out of the water (cam and tune), it just doesn't get the justice it deserves from GM currently.

if the new cylinder deactivation from GM offers any major improvement in mileage you may see improvement in throttle response and low end torque to compensate. I still think a small displacement 2 valve V8 with a low boost turbo would offer great low end, high reliability, and low ownership costs.

My big gripe with the ecoboost has been reliability. no doubt it can do the job, but as consumers we shouldn't have to take a step back in quality or reliability for the sake of marginal mileage improvements. The F-150 took a step back by using alumnimum where the steel was better, and took a step back in engine reliability when they went overly complex for the sake of mileage. Now will the average joe have an issue with an aluminum box, probably not. Will a lot of the ecoboosts run trouble free, probably. But why should the consumer have to buy a vehicle that makes compromises when the payback is ultimately so little to the consumer? At least the GM box got stronger while also losing weight.

I will agree with you as well on the 4.3. Pretty strong engine for the guy that needs a pickup but doesn't plan on towing much. I had a rental with one and thought it had a 5.3 until I looked.

@ Ecoboost

Naturally aspirated 3.5L. Lol

Get the ECM retuned on the 5.3 N it runs so much better. Spend another $1500 on the birla exhaust and cold air intake from GM and u have a fantastic running, reliable small block V8

I have driven a 4.3L and they are fantastic!! If GM drops that motor and replaces it with a 3.6L thats in colorado.... I'll be upset...even though its a good motor. I just love the 4.3L
I have it in my boat with MPI...and it runs flawlessly

I'm a RAM guy, but the GMC is looking good!

Ford's 2.7 with 400 ftlbs really raises the bar. GM engines boys have their hand full matching that. With a 10 spd tanny it ought to be able to tow 12,000 lbs. Don't know why not, rear axles frame?

Great appeal of the 5.3 is that it is so simple to work on with the spark plugs right out there easy to get to. Its nearly indestructable ours has 300,000 miles and 19 years and is still going strong.

What the F150 has that all the others don't is the optional 36 gallon extended range fuel tank. Its a game change.

Innovation for improving the towing experience. Very nice. These new GM full size twins will continue their leadership role in this segment.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2016/01/whats-the-best-light-duty-truck-for-towing-2016-texas-truck-showdown.html

I still think a small displacement 2 valve V8 with a low boost turbo would offer great low end, high reliability, and low ownership costs.

Posted by: andrwken | Mar 10, 2018

@andrwken

Actually you're close.

The small bore 2-valve GM V8 is an impressive engine with the simple addition of a multi-speed trans like GM's new 10 speed (and a lower rear gear). It will be a very popular choice in my opinion.

These new GM trucks haven't hit the dealer lots yet and the sissy Fordtards are already crying, and hiding in the corners. They know Ford has nothing!

I still think a small displacement 2 valve V8 with a low boost turbo would offer great low end, high reliability, and low ownership costs.

Posted by: andrwken | Mar 10, 2018

@andrwken

Actually you're close.

The small bore 2-valve GM V8 is an impressive engine with the simple addition of a multi-speed trans like GM's new 10 speed (and a lower rear gear). It will be a very popular choice in my opinion.

Posted by: papajim | Mar 11, 2018 10:48:02 AM

The low boost turbo gives you the ability to create low end torque at low rpm when needed, without sacrificing the mileage when it's not. A naturally aspirated engine can definitely be a torque monster without boosting it. But it seems like the old vortec 350's, the current GM 6.0 and Ford 6.2, which have that low end torque do it at a huge efficiency penalty. That is why so many motors nowadays need to "wake up" once they get over 2k rpm.

I have driven some small boosted engines recently that don't really have any boosted feel to them, but they can lug due to the turbo boosting at low rpm. The 1.4l in the cruze is a perfect example. I just drove one with a 6 speed manual and you can be in the wrong gear so many times and the little motor just lugs along without losing speed. Works great in snow when you can drive in 3rd gear at 15 mph and not spin.