losing brake assist just means you "need more leg" to whoa the truck down. All of my old cars and trucks were built back when power brakes were considered an upgrade.

They were also drum brakes on all 4 wheels.

All that said, Toyota needs to get this taken care of quickly.

Junk just like GARBAGE MOTORS TRUCKS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Why will it take Toyota over six weeks to notify owners about their defective brake assist? Seems like an awfully long wait for a part that is already available today. Or does Toyota not want to sacrifice production by diverting parts away from the Tacoma assembly plant in Mexico?

Yeah May 31st is an awful long time to wait for a part that should be in stock. Is it on national backorder or something? They only need 800 replacement parts. Certainly their supply chain should be able to handle that now. Odd.

Junk just like GARBAGE MOTORS TRUCKS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Posted by: Chingon | Apr 16, 2018 4:15:39 PM

At least Toyota is fixing them , unlike Ford waiting for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to tell them to fix them.

losing brake assist just means you "need more leg" to whoa the truck down.

Posted by: papajim | Apr 16, 2018 4:00:43 PM

Remember the GM ignition recall. Loss of power assisted steering and eventual loss of power assisted brakes was the main reason there were crashes. Steering and braking was always present in those vehicles but most drivers have not experienced driving vehicles with manual steering and brakes and was unable to react fast enough to prevent an accident.

....most drivers have not experienced driving vehicles with manual steering and brakes and unfortunately some drivers were unable to react fast enough to prevent an accident.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Apr 16, 2018 5:37:32

When you take a lunch break and let the trainee take over.. doh..

800 trucks.
From 6 months ago.
For a 5 day part issue at the factory.
0 injuries.
0 Deaths.

A lot of other companies could learn a lot from this recall

GMS- Do not bring up the ignition recall as a reference, that was very bad for GM and still haunts them today. That took what 10 years to realize before they did anything about it? 6 weeks is ok in my book when comparing the horrid GM ignition failures.

-CT

Many mfrs are using a "just-in-time" manufacturing process, which means they don't have a lot of extra parts laying around. In this case, it may mean Toyota would have to give up five days of manufacturing Tacomas in order to fix the recalled trucks immediately , or put in a call to their parts vendor to get 800 additional duplicates. This could be a gearing up of an additional OT shift by the vendor to get some extra units built, or could even mean a quick and unique production run at a fourth-party mfr in China (it seems a lot of companies utilize various Chinese mfrs for quick, short production runs of parts). This can take some time.

Also, depending on Toyota's level of QA/QC at that particular plant or with jts vendors, it may take some time to determine the exact beginning and ending VIN numbers affected, which should be tied to different work shifts and/or parts shipments.

That took what 10 years to realize before they did anything about it? 6 weeks is ok in my book when comparing the horrid GM ignition failures.---Posted by: crunchtime | Apr 17, 2018

You might have still been in school at the time, but a LOT of good mechanics were stumped by the GM switch issue.

My wife's daughter had a Saturn that kept shutting off at random and the shops we took it to could not figure it out. One shop even replaced the switch---with another defective switch.

Longboat knows what he's talking about !

very good Longboat !

Longboat, good chat, Toyota has their own version of JIT called TPS-Toyota Production System, they are the pioneers for sure.

-Papa, the mechanics may not have known but GM sure did early on, but left it slip through the cracks. I did a paper on this in college, which yes I was in, but at age 40. Quality reductions cost them dearly, its what happens when greed takes over from QA.

-CT

care to take a wild swing at the number of parts in the (current) parts catalog for GM?

Seriously? Your viewpoint on this makes you sound like a college student.

For a moment try to imagine running a giant global corporation and managing hundreds of product lines and brands.

@ papajim. Stop making excuses for GM on the ignition switch. The defective design was redesigned but the part number revision level was never changed. That is plain negligent any way tou look at it. The parts groups would have no indication on which part they had, old or revised. GM deserved everything they got on that one.

I agree with u smokin a 6.2L about ignition...it was ugly..no excuses

But u could say the same thing about Ford and there trucks starting on fire!! A gentlemans boy here in town, Ford truck caught fire on him while driving it to school. Wanna talk about a lawsuit if it was my son....oh wait...id never let him drive/let alone buy a Ford!!!

Many mfrs are using a "just-in-time" manufacturing process, which means they don't have a lot of extra parts laying around. In this case, it may mean Toyota would have to give up five days of manufacturing Tacomas in order to fix the recalled trucks immediately , or put in a call to their parts vendor to get 800 additional duplicates.
Posted by: Longboat | Apr 17, 2018 7:19:19 AM

Toyota is producing up to 500 Tacomas per day in Tijuana, Mexico. Which is more important? A day and a half of lost production or 800 potentially unsafe trucks on the road for a month and a half? I guess Toyota is putting profits ahead of safety?

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Also, depending on Toyota's level of QA/QC at that particular plant or with jts vendors, it may take some time to determine the exact beginning and ending VIN numbers affected, which should be tied to different work shifts and/or parts shipments.
Posted by: Longboat | Apr 17, 2018 7:19:19 AM

Good point. After all, Toyota *claims* they didn't realize Dana wasn't properly treating the Tacoma/Tundra/Sequoia frames to prevent corrosion. Somehow Toyota's QA/QC department didn't catch the issue for over 15 years.... even after rusted out 1st/2nd gen Tacoma frames started breaking in half.

I agree with u smokin a 6.2L about ignition...it was ugly..no excuses

But u could say the same thing about Ford and there trucks starting on fire!! A gentlemans boy here in town, Ford truck caught fire on him while driving it to school. Wanna talk about a lawsuit if it was my son....oh wait...id never let him drive/let alone buy a Ford!!!

Posted by: TNTGMC | Apr 17, 2018 5:47:59 PM

Did you write this in your diary buttercup, it's a Toyota Post, they dog GM and you must bring Ford into the conversation.
You're lame.

@ Frank

No, I agreed with Smokin...u not comprehend?? It's all big corporations who Sc#w us.....no matter who it is...i just stated that Ford has over looked that like GM did with switches....totally wrong

I'm no buttercup old man.

BTW....I'm not worried about recall with Toyota. Its only 800 vehicles... Thank goodness... Unlike Ford who is always in the thousands!!!

@TNTGMC. We can agree to disagree about which trucks are better. Thats what is great about free choice. I would also never buy a GM, not that they are bad, just don’t like them. What year Ford? The issue I remember with fires on the trucks was with the nrake fluid sensor. All those were recalled. Maybe I have missed a current fire related issue on the trucks but I don’t thinks so. Got any details. In any case I hope the mans boy was unharmed

Funny,Recalls from Toytoa and Ford always start off with a small number...Then reality hits and its tenfold and they dont tell the public !

***Family member of Dealer Owner of Toyota/Ford (and more) dealerships ! Toyota and other Asians have the most lies with recall numbers,always more than what they say...One recall was under 1000,yet over 2 years our dealership had 45% of people effected ,thus bigger than they say..Azun Qulaity NOT ! Built in Mexico or America still Jupanese Quality ccontroll gone a mess !

**Yes,I messed around with some spelling,to ensure I had quality measures like Tuyotis !

@ Smokin
I beleive he told me it was an early 90s...I'll ask him for sure what year in morning when I lift...I didn't ask whole cause of fire but I'll ask that as well. I know not much left of truck.. Like I said, I'll talk to him tomorrow and see..just overheard him talking about it during work out
Yes kid is OK...and yes free choice is great...

All those were recalled. Maybe I have missed a current fire related issue on the trucks but I don’t thinks so. Got any details. In any case I hope the mans boy was unharmed
Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Apr 17, 2018 6:10:19 PM

The 2015+ F-150's equipped with ecoboost engines are still experiencing the same sudden loss of brakes that plagued the previous gen F-150 3.5EB. Lots of complaints on NHTSA's website as well as on several Ford truck forums.

@ Brick. How about a NHSTA link that goes to the complaints you alleged .

Just Google "2015 Ford F-150 NHTSA". Scroll to the bottom of the NHTSA's page for the 2015 F-150 and look at the complaints. Filter the complaints by clicking "Service Brakes" or "Service Brakes, Hydraulic".

You'll get an abundance of complaints like:
"Entered the freeway and was traveling at 65 mph when i had to apply brakes due to fast slowing traffic. Brakes failed as pedal went to the floor. Had to swerve to miss vehicle in front of me. Pumped brakes again and got minimal braking as pedal again went to the floor. Downshifted the transmission and used emergency brake to stop the vehicle. Proceeded very carefully to ford dealer that was less than a mile from my location. They diagnosed the vehicle with a master cylinder and booster failure. Cost $1,000.00. Vehicle has 50k miles on it and is meticulously maintained. Ford dealer offered no explanation."

You'll find similar reports for 2016, 2017, and 2018 Ford F-150's on their website. There are even more for the 2011-2014 F-150 3.5EB trucks. Most of the time it's because the vacuum pump sucks the brake fluid right out of the system. Ford uses the same part flakey parts on the 2015+ F-150's that they used on the previous steel F-150's.

@Brick--I have a neighbor across the street who had a 2010 V-8 F-150 whose engine blew at a 100k. He takes meticulous care of his vehicles. He traded it in for a 2015 F-150 with a 2.7 EcoBoost which I haven't heard of any complaints but he got only $1,500 for his 2010 which looked new and was otherwise in perfect shape except tor the engine. I have a 99 S-10 with well over 100k miles that has had very few problems and runs like it will run forever. Also have a 2008 Isuzu crewcab 4x4 that has been very reliable (I bought both new).

here is the site to read about all vehicle complaints
https://www.carcomplaints.com/

The only problem with the 2015 + F-150's is the throttle body, it's a cheap and easy fix, new throttle body only costs $160.
Nothing wrong with the twin turbo's and plastic oil pans on the Eco-Boost engines.

Stop making up stories about turbo problems! It's very-very rare any Ford Dealer has ever replaced a turbo and the plastic oil pan doesn't leak, it's just the stupid backyard mechanic doesn't know how to work the drain plug.

How does a story about the Tacoma spins around to attack the F-150 ?

Nothing wrong with the twin turbo's and plastic oil pans on the Eco-Boost engines.

Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Apr 18, 2018 1:31:06 AM

What? The eco bust has a plastic oil pan! My 6.2 oil pan has mix of Military Grade Aluminum and cold rolled steel, same steel used in nuclear submarine hulls. That's why GM V8s are longer lasting engines.

Is everything on the F150 plastic?? Oil pans and 4 wheel drive components?? Wow!! I thought they were made of TOUGH military grade aluminium! Huh, who knew!

@TNTGMC. Reinforced thermo plastics can be successfully applied for use as oil pans and be equally as strong as cast aluminum pans and provide a big savings in weight. What would be your issue? The oil pan sits way up high in the chassis and is protected.

and provide a big savings in weight. What would be your issue?
Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Apr 18, 2018

@smokin'

Please. The difference in weight between a plastic pan and an alloy pan is zilch. Please share some specifics if you have any.

Please. The difference in weight between a plastic pan and an alloy pan is zilch. Please share some specifics if you have any.

Posted by: papajim | Apr 18, 2018 9:44:12 AM

Don't forget that plastic is certainly cheaper than aluminum.

@ smokin

That plastic will not hold up as well as alloy!! And the "weight" savings your talking about is pointless

Plus, Ford went through all this "weight savings". Yet the GM twins are at the same weight or lighter still than their trucks and GET BETTER mileage!! Even with V8s!!!

I think Ford likes to cut corners!!

I'm NOT stating GM doesn't but not with oil pans and 4 wheel drive components!!! 2 things u kinda need to have engine run and wheels to turn..... Otherwise u will be Found On Road Dead!

@ papa. Are you kidding me. In general highly engineered thermoplastics are 66% lighter than cast aluminum equivalent. I am by no means saying the 2.7 oil pan is that much lighter than the GM 3.6 pan mainly due to ribbing and wall thickness up for strength, but there is significant savings. Why do you think intake manifolds switched? Lighter weight and more cost effective.

@TNT. Anytime you can reduce the weight over the front axle on a truck is a win and cast oil pans fail too.

And papa, it’s painfully obvious you have zero engineering background. Stick to what you know, tooling around the old folks park in your bottom feeder chebby

they switched intake manifolds yes to save themselves money but also BC they don't them to last as long and WE as consumers have to pay to fix them.... Heck that's main reason GM got rid of the 3800/ engine. Thing was bulletproof...when I bought my first 2001 ZR2, there were 2 old farmers in the showroom floor. Both were getting oil changes on there Bonneville's! One had over 500K on it and the other was at 380k. Salesmen stated they came in every 3k miles, drink coffee and shoot the breeze!!
Father in law who loves Fords has to Buicks with over 200k on his 3800/ that he uses to drive back and forth to town to keep his F350 from getting dirty. They just run and run!!

they switched intake manifolds yes to save themselves money but also BC they don't them to last as long and WE as consumers have to pay to fix them.... Heck that's main reason GM got rid of the 3800/ engine. Thing was bulletproof...when I bought my first 2001 ZR2, there were 2 old farmers in the showroom floor. Both were getting oil changes on there Bonneville's! One had over 500K on it and the other was at 380k. Salesmen stated they came in every 3k miles, drink coffee and shoot the breeze!!
Father in law who loves Fords has to Buicks with over 200k on his 3800/ that he uses to drive back and forth to town to keep his F350 from getting dirty. They just run and run!!

Posted by: TNTGMC | Apr 18, 2018 1:38:27 PM

funny i was just talking to my friend about that motor (he's a mechanic) and he grew working on cars and trucks for his father and now owns his own garage, he said he's not had 1 of those motors apart in all his years of working on vehicles

@smokin' the weed

Comparing the weight of a "plastic" oil pan with an alloy oil pan is a matter of a few ounces. Grow the f**k up

@papa. You are an idi*t. Try google. I will bet my 20 years of engineering experience against your GED any day of the week. If anybody needs to grow up, look in the mirror. Now go back to watching TV and drinking your ensure.

Show it!

smokin' the weed is a dumber then a pile of dog s....... 20 years of engineering experience? In what making lego model trucks? LMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will bet my 20 years of engineering experience against your GED any day of the week.

Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Apr 18, 2018 3:21:55 PM

Please tell of your engineering experience and i'll tell you where you dropped the ball on your explanation of automakers move towards thermoplastic intake manifolds.

Reinforced thermo plastics can be successfully applied for use as oil pans and be equally as strong as cast aluminum pans and provide a big savings in weight. What would be your issue? The oil pan sits way up high in the chassis and is protected.

Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Apr 18, 2018 9:27:56 AM

Ford has been using plastic oil pans for a while. The 6.7 Powerstroke has a plastic oil pans. They have a tendency to develop a leak as they age, typically from the cheap 1/4-turn oil plug. Replacing the o-ring usually doesn't fix it. The 3.5/2.7 also appear to have oil leak issues with the plastic pans too. Google "ecoboost oil pan leaking"

I don't have any concerns about the strength of a plastic pan. Fiber-reinforced plastics are pretty tough. Manufacturers use them because they're cheaper to make.

@Johnny. Right on there bud. Your entire vocabulary shows your lack of education. Its very evident to everyone on this site. Your like the court jester. Just here for entertainment.

@GMS. Please do explain. I am dying to hear it. Maybe we should hear your credentials first. Me, I am a dgreeed welding engineer working at an oem.

smokin' the weed like papajim said "Show it!" All I've seen so far is a moron.

@Johnny. Thanks for proving my point. I do not have to prove anything. What i stated can easlily be verified. All one has to do is look.

@GMS. Please do explain. I am dying to hear it. Maybe we should hear your credentials first. Me, I am a dgreeed welding engineer working at an oem.

Posted by: Smokin’ a 6.2 | Apr 18, 2018 4:29:38 PM

Well, as I indicated earlier, you dropped the ball on your explanation of the oem's adoption of thermoplastic intake manifolds. However, you can have the floor on sharing your vast experience and credentials as an engineer.