It will do fine. Just get the damn thing into the showrooms.

This will flop. Within 6 months sales will fall flat and then start declining. A Jeep Wrangler is a Jeep. It's not a pickup truck. People who want a mid sized truck will buy a truck. People who want a Jeep will buy a Jeep.

The only way this will not take off is if: 1. serious quality issues show up, or 2. RAM builds only highest end over priced models.

This was supposed to come out as a 19 model, which is usually September of 18, so this will be a 2020 Jeep Truck. Glad I did not wait on it. Should be nice though especcialy if they have a little diesel in it

Yep, this thing is going to sell well if pricing is right. The market for traditional styled pickups is taken up. Only room for this type of styled vehicle left. The Ranger will be DOA .

No sales for the Jeep truck wanna be but I can tell you that in the first couple of years on the market is going to do fine and is gonna sale like crazy but then is going to start to decline ones people gets tired of it.

The market for traditional styled pickups is taken up. Only room for this type of styled vehicle left. The Ranger will be DOA .
Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jun 7, 2018

@GMSRGREAT

Ranger DOA? I did not get that memo.

Not unlike what you said about pricing the Jeep, the Ranger will be a truck to reckon with if the geniuses at Ford don't try to make every Ranger to sell above $40K.

The Jeep/RAM executives at FCA should be forging deals with aftermarket vendors to offer some wild off-road looks for the new Jeep truck. You don't need a big imagination to picture one of these Scramblers with some huge wheels & rubber. Park one out front of the dealership and watch the excitement build.

Removable top

It will be completely overpriced. Marketed as a HALO product of sorts. Mods and add-ons will be ready for the market. And buyers will line up to thro money at it. Then it will crash to earth when the first wave understands it doesn't add up.

Ranger DOA? I did not get that memo.

Posted by: papajim | Jun 7, 2018 7:02:36 PM

Papajim: My point was that the RANGER is quite late and it doesn't offer any unique styling to help it garner attention in a maturing mid size market. The Scrambler will certainly sell well because it is different. It certainly isn't a cookie cutter midsize like the Ranger.

Selling data isn´t available? its june 8th ando no information about it

I got a few pics and a short video of one on the 5 in SoCal. They’re on my IG page @peaceful_warrior_1983 unfortunately I was driving down the highway by myself so I couldn’t get better lol

I don't look for this to be a big seller. But it also shouldn't cost jeep much to make. It kinda slots into that strange territory of those few who miss the H3T and those wanting a Wrangler with a bed. It should be impressive off road and bring the whole "Jeep" cool open air thing and that has lot of appeal until many find out that its also noisy, leaky, rough, primitive, expensive, and of inconsistent quality. Even with modest sales it (like the Ridgeline for Honda) will make money for Fiat.

It is a Jeep with a bed, boring and not original...

It is a Jeep with a bed, boring and not original...

I read these will ONLY be offered in a 4 door and no option for a 2 door extended cab?? If so , I'm out.

Papajim: My point was that the RANGER is quite late and it doesn't offer any unique styling to help it garner attention in a maturing mid size market. ... Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jun 7, 2018

@GMSRGREAT

That is a little bit clearer, however, the US consumer economy is hotter than it's been in at least 20 years so I'm not sure how that might affect sales of pickups. Markets do get saturated, but the product development that we see from the Big 3 continues to impress, so let's just say the jury is still out on that one.

Papajim: My point was that the RANGER is quite late and it doesn't offer any unique styling to help it garner attention in a maturing mid size market. The Scrambler will certainly sell well because it is different. It certainly isn't a cookie cutter midsize like the Ranger.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jun 7, 2018 10:28:21 PM

Get a load of this ford hater humper camp. LOL!!

As ugly as the GM trucks are for 2019, this is a truck I will consider.

@ Clint - I tend to agree with your assessment. A Colorado or Tacoma would offer better fit, finish and comfort. One should buy the Power Wagon if off-road ability and capacity is necessary. This will be a pricey niche vehicle.

I was really looking forward to these but heard the sticker price is more than a full size truck. And these are suppose to be mid-size aren't they?

it's a toy

RAM/Jeep needs to package these trucks properly.

There is a huge market for off-road specialty vehicles. If you have ever driven a Wrangler you would have more appreciation for the Scrambler concept. I repeat: Packaging is key

RAM/Jeep needs to partner with specialty outfitters and aftermarket companies and market a Super Scrambler that targets the kind of guy that might buy a Raptor or a G Series Benz. There's a legit market for that approach and it's big bucks.

I was hoping the wheelbase would be shorter than this. It'll still be a great midsize truck I'm sure but I would much prefer a shorter 2-door version.

I would much prefer a shorter 2-door version....Posted by: HD RamKing | Jun 8, 2018

@Ramking

Very much agree! Project?

Well the specs have already been leaked and it poised right in the center of the midsized market for payload and towing.
The 3.6 and diesel are proven and again, well poised in the midsized pack. There is a Rubicon package, which plays well against the Tacoma TRD Pro and the ZR2.

Sales will tell the tale, but it will almost certainly outsell the Ridgeline.

But folks that buy Ridgelines rarely venture off pavement and almost never into anything more difficult than a graded forest road.

Good things to come Fiat Chrysler Fans, This here is a brute in the making. 5.7 Hemi, 6.2 Hemi, 6.4 Hemi, install kits. Plug and play.

https://forum.aev-conversions.com/forum/aev-for-sale/preowned-aev-wrangler-brute-double-cab-for-sale/3178-brute-from-dangerous-drives-for-sale-through-spyder-offroad

"I read these will ONLY be offered in a 4 door and no option for a 2 door extended cab?? If so , I'm out."
---- Posted by: BeersButtsandTrucks

I tend to agree. I prefer the overall form of the '05 Gladiator concept as an extended cab over this Crew Cab craze we have going on now.

Talk about ugly! Jeep pickups of the past were good looking. This downright uglier than ugly!

PUTC

It's been a long time since you posted a story about the F-150 Eco-Boost.
I am getting tired and bored of these stories about a Jeep pickup that will never sell.
Give us some stories about the #1 selling truck the F-150.

A story I would love to see is an interview with Ford Dealers and talk about how fast they are selling the F-150's and the main questions, wants and needs from the customer. (What the F-150 customer-owner is telling the dealer) - i have a general idea but I want you to run a story and ask the dealers yourself.
What we are missing here is the main reason why customers pick the F-150 over other brands of pickups that makes the F-150 the #1 top selling.
I know the Silverado and Ram Owners would find that interesting and exciting

PUTC:

It's been a week of two since you posted a story on the F-150. A lot of readers drive that model of F-series with the ecoboost engine and would appreciate all the info concerning recalls, common failures and overall trouble spots with those units. What I would like so see are articles covering the average repair costs for replacement of turbos, timing chains, cylinders heads for engine misses, throttle bodies for complete loss of engine power and cam phaser replacement just to name a few. I'm sure articles of this kind would be beneficial in helping those individuals decide on when to get out of those units or plan their finances so to address those repair costs as they occur.

IMO, wrangler type jeeps are the most cheaply made vehicles by this brand. If you've ever taken one apart, you'll know. It's basically a bolt-on parts type a vehicle. Very poor for civilian day to day use. But great for the enthusiast as it if pretty much a no fuss vehicle.

@uh huh

Jeep enthusiast comb the want ads for Jeeps built between 1970 and 1990 or so. They are really cheap, usually need body/paint work but are a great platform to start a killer Jeep offroader. Sometimes it's best to buy a couple of 'em and cannibalize until one Jeep is road ready.

A guy who knows how to weld a bit and can do engine/trans swaps, just needs a few thousand dollars, some cold beer and a little spray paint and a few dirty rags can do it. Huge fun.

"What we are missing here is the main reason why customers pick the F-150 "

Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jun 10, 2018 12:43:36 AM

Price. Cheep fleet. Ford has the biggest percentage of cheep fleet vehicles compared to G.M. and Ram.

Ford beats GM in March with high fleet sales, https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/04/01/ford-motor-company-march-2016-auto-sales/82509024/

forget it

can't have a normal conversation in here
the hate of the F-150 over-rules conventional thinking

if you owned a restaurant and the restaurant across the street was doing more business than you wouldn't you want to know why?
same way why the F-150 is out-selling everyone

I have a few ideas, its lower price and the dealers making the customer comfortable, the Ford dealers seem to use the same selling tactic , similar to Saturn used to do.
In my past experience in new truck shopping is the Chevy Dealers lie and cheat and the Ram Dealers just look too desperate and try too hard making me as the customer uncomfortable. At one Chevy Dealer the salesman refused to give me a price unless I walked inside and the salesman grabbed me by the arm and tried to pull me inside like a house of horrors.
It was a different calm feeling at the Ford Dealer, wasn't rushed, the salesmen didn't get excited, they played it cool and gave me the out-the-door price I asked for.

I was just looking for a normal conversation on your buying experience at the dealer when you was buying your new truck, how you were treated, good or bad.

My Ford dealer was convicted of torturing puppies. The service techs would routinely urinate on the driver's seat after changing the oil. The Toyota dealer bought me and my wife a free breakfast at IHOP while they changed the oil. They turned the truck with a full tank and a $20 gift certificate for the next service. Ford dealers hate people and want to hurt puppies.

can't have a normal conversation in here
the hate of the F-150 over-rules conventional thinking
Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jun 11, 2018 12:46:04 AM

The same could be said for yourbhate of non-Ford brands. Some ofbus here are criticalbof Ford because they have slowly destroyed each and everynthing about the F-150 that madenit a good truck
They removed the tough forged steelncontrol armsnand replaced theknwith thin stamped steel, they replaced the metal auto locking hubs with cheap plastic parts, they softed up the rear suspension, they replaced the goodnrear axles with the cheap 7.8" axle and eventually had to replace it with bigger axles that didnt suck so much, they replaced the good reliable I6 and V8 engines with modular OHC junk, they replaced the strong steel beds abd frames with aluminum and super thin frames, etc. And then there are millions of past Dord truck owners that have had trucks that had MAJOR mechanical issues duebto defects Ford knew about and sold in trucks anyways. *cough* 6-blow Powerstroke *cough*
if you owned a restaurant and the restaurant across the street was doing more business than you wouldn't you want to know why?
same way why the F-150 is out-selling everyone

I have a few ideas, its lower price and the dealers making the customer comfortable, the Ford dealers seem to use the same selling tactic , similar to Saturn used to do.
In my past experience in new truck shopping is the Chevy Dealers lie and cheat and the Ram Dealers just look too desperate and try too hard making me as the customer uncomfortable. At one Chevy Dealer the salesman refused to give me a price unless I walked inside and the salesman grabbed me by the arm and tried to pull me inside like a house of horrors.
It was a different calm feeling at the Ford Dealer, wasn't rushed, the salesmen didn't get excited, they played it cool and gave me the out-the-door price I asked for.

I was just looking for a normal conversation on your buying experience at the dealer when you was buying your new truck, how you were treated, good or bad.

Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jun 11, 2018 12:46:04 AM

Buyers already gladly fork out $40,000-plus for a loaded unlimited so why not for the jeep truck that has been promised for so many years that everyone has been begging for. Pretty much the only way for it to be a flop is, like usual, for the manufacturer to totally screw up a good idea. They'll either take the for granted and only offer it in an upper level trim package and price out too many buyers, or price it way too high without features.

can't have a normal conversation in here
the hate of the F-150 over-rules conventional thinking
Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jun 11, 2018 12:46:04 AM

The same could be said for your hate of non-Ford brands. Some of us here are critical of Ford because they have slowly destroyed each and every thing about the F-150 that made it a good truck way back in the day.

They removed the tough forged steel control arms and replaced them with thin stamped steel, they replaced the metal auto locking hubs with cheap plastic parts, they softened up the rear suspension, they replaced the good rear axles with the cheap 8.8" axle and eventually had to replace it with bigger axles that didn't suck so much, they replaced the good reliable I6 and V8 engines with modular OHC junk, they replaced the strong steel beds and frames with aluminum and super thin frames, etc. And then there are millions of past Ford truck owners that have had trucks that had MAJOR mechanical issues due to defects Ford knew about and sold in trucks anyways. *cough* 6-blow Powerstroke *cough*

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if you owned a restaurant and the restaurant across the street was doing more business than you wouldn't you want to know why?
same way why the F-150 is out-selling everyone
Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jun 11, 2018 12:46:04 AM

When I look across the street and see the McDonalds parking lot packed, I already know what they're selling and why so many people are eating there. The food is cheap and the people eating there don't care what the quality is, they just eat there because that's where their family always ate, even if the food sucks these days.

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I have a few ideas, its lower price and the dealers making the customer comfortable, the Ford dealers seem to use the same selling tactic , similar to Saturn used to do.
Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jun 11, 2018 12:46:04 AM

I have a family member that bought a brand new car from a Saturn dealer in La Crosse, WI. I couldn't believe how well they were treated by the staff. They not only gave her a great price (on her own, which isn't easy when some dealers won't play ball if they negotiate with a mid-20's girl buying her first car. Some will try to play hardball because they think the girl will just accept the first "deal" as the "best they can do". She just passed that 2006 Ion on to her niece. It has 270k miles on it, has never had a major mechanical issue (the manual trans works like new, the timing chain was finally replace at 230k miles). It's had a couple wheel bearings replace and the AC condensor was damaged in a collision with a raccoon.

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In my past experience in new truck shopping is the Chevy Dealers lie and cheat and the Ram Dealers just look too desperate and try too hard making me as the customer uncomfortable. At one Chevy Dealer the salesman refused to give me a price unless I walked inside and the salesman grabbed me by the arm and tried to pull me inside like a house of horrors.

Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jun 11, 2018 12:46:04 AM

You're delusional that a particular manufacturer has "bad" dealers while Ford has "good" dealers. I have stopped at dealers of every single brand that were great. I have stopped at dealers of every single brand that were AWFUL. I have more than a couple stories of dealing with Ford dealers that were bad enough that many would avoid Ford all together, I just realize that a bad dealer has almost nothing to do with the manufacturer's level of customer relations.

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It was a different calm feeling at the Ford Dealer, wasn't rushed, the salesmen didn't get excited, they played it cool and gave me the out-the-door price I asked for.

Posted by: Ecoboost Rules | Jun 11, 2018 12:46:04 AM

Reminds me of the dealer that sold me my Chevy. I leveled with him, let him know I didn't want to waste either ones time, stated a fair price on the Silverado I was buying, agreed on a fair price for what I was trading, signed the papers and left with a truck I got at a great price and has served me well for 4.5 years and counting.

Question for James - What correlation is there between Honda Ridgeline and success of Jeep Pickup? Honda is production constrained at Honda Manufacturing of Alabama. Honda can't make any more Ridgeline, Pilot,and Odyssey if they want to. There is only one plant and it's at max capacity. So saying Jeep Pickup will outsell Ridgeline means next to nothing.

Question for James - What correlation is there between Honda Ridgeline and success of Jeep Pickup? Honda is production constrained at Honda Manufacturing of Alabama. Honda can't make any more Ridgeline, Pilot,and Odyssey if they want to. There is only one plant and it's at max capacity. So saying Jeep Pickup will outsell Ridgeline means next to nothing.

@Brick
Just curious, what data do you have to support your claims of inferior design and I don’t mean YouTube videos, or other statistically insignificant net mining either. I’ll give you the IH Ford bastardized PS and the 5.4 mod motors (spark plugs in particular) as I said before on these posts, unless you have the data you are looking at a relatively small sample size. You missed the aluminum control arms... I’ve own Ford trucks since 1986 to my current 2017 SD. I have never had any of the failures you mentioned? I’ve owned Broncos and F series - 351, 302, 300 six, 4.6 mod, Coyote and now 6.2. All were pretty good trucks across all generations. It’s easy to find issues on the internet it’s much harder to quantify those without issue. I’m sure there are many similar GM and RAM owners as well who have the same ownership expirence. GM and RAM have their share of issues as well. I’m sure your GM truck will serve you just as well as my Fords have.

I'm merely providing a counter-balance to all the trash claims people like Ecoboost Rules, redbloodedxy, clint, etc make here on a daily basis. Although I only began commenting on here in the last few years, I've been a visitor to this website for nearly 10 years. I got tired of the constant lies and misinformation being spread in these comments. There are a LOT of people that read the comments on this website and take them as fact. Garbage like the "Chevy shake" - a small issue that turned into a false claim that all GM trucks have a "shake" problem. All based on one thread on one forum with less than 1000 unique commenters (many of whom reported they did NOT have a shake. Others had almost no post history and could have easily been trlls). Less than 1000 out of the millions of 2014+ GM fullsize trucks sold is beyond statistically insignificant. There were people here claiming that the 2014+ GM 5.3 had massive oil burning issues. There was ZERO evidence to back that up, yet users on here have continued to spread that lie. There are commenters on here that claim that the GM half-tons have "tiny" axles. The fact is the axle diameter, spline counts, bearing sizes, ring size, pinion size are nearly identical to the axles that Ford and Ram both use. Lately Ecoboost Rules is constantly bringing up GM having "transmission issues", suggesting that GM's transmissions are failing. Again, completely baseless. His only "evidence" is based on a Consumer Reports reliability report. CR's only mark against the transmission was firm shifting, not an internal failure of the transmission. Yet he gets to continue spreading false claims, twisting firm shifting transmissions into claims that GM has a transmission problem and that they're failing left and right.

Until it stops, I'll continue pointing out the deficiencies in the trll's favorite brand.

@Brick

here's any easy tip to remember re: Consumer Reports graphics. They rate survey data on engines, trannies, etc., as Transmission Major or Transmission Minor.

Software issues are usually scored in the Minor category because it's usually a quick fix and the car/truck never even gets put on the lift. Major issues involve getting your hands dirty.

Don't worry about the likes of Ecoboost and his buddies. They are just entertaining themselves.

@ Brick
I’d argue all of us on this site truly have no idea how our favorite brand compares to others. My cousin is a mechanic 30 yrs and has worked on everything. His advice to me was buy what you like and take care of it. His favorite cars were air cooled VWs and Porsches. I truly believe the B3 trucks are pretty similar in reliability and performance. Yes we “all know a guy” who had a nightmare with brand x, but there are many who have not. I like all the brands. I’ve had Fords my whole life and they haven’t let me down - I have die hard GM fans with the same expirence. Of course we taunt each other, but we’re smart enough to know we each drive decent vehicles.

The one question will the Jeep leak like a sleeve? A Toyota won’t.

Jeep built trucks for decades. The full size M715s, Gladiators, and J10/J20s are fantastic. Everyone keeps comparing this truck to the CJ8 Scramblers which were just a blip in Jeeps history. I don't expect (and I doubt Jeep does either) Jeep to sell TONS of these. I think they will sell enough to continue to bring the value of the Jeep name up and make a little money. Just like they did with the Gladiators, and J10/J20s.

I also don't think anyone will go shopping for this truck, comparing it to F150, Toyota, or GM pickups. The customers that buy Wrangler JLs don't go out and compare it to other vehicles; they want a Jeep so they buy a Wrangler. The same way most people that want a Corvette don't go out and drive Challenger, Camaro, and Mustang. They go buy a 'Vette.

The folks that want a Jeep and a truck now have a factory option with a warranty. I think these will be successful by Jeep's standard. I don't think Jeep with get huge market share in mid-size trucks but they will get some of it and that's all they really want.

why the ugly design? i mean, seriously - why ???