Nice looking truck. Looking forward to the full release on the 30th.

Check engine light already?

You gotta love that front suspension! No beam axles for me thank you

The High Country interior looks so much better with black instead of saddle, the saddle colored dash is just too much.

That's a lot of rust on the suspension for 794 miles...

The Ford will probably win because it FINALLY updated its heavy duty trucks after doing a sales job on us for 20 years selling us terrible engines and suspensions and C-frames. I am willing to call the new Ford decent, even though the top end of those Powerstrokes are a hari-brained mess made by substandard engineers trying to make them efficient, but just dont' hve the brain power to do so. What's new at Ford on that point. Look at all their cars too. But since they stuffed a lot of glittery tech into the cabin to fool consumers and journalists alike, they might win the first place. I do give Ford some credit for their rust proofing. Even so, a broken down truck with a nice body is like a dumb blond. I just feel sorry for Ford guys.

Now, the GM products should win because their engine/transmission combo is far superior especially when coordinated will with its chasis dynamics and tow/haul mode. It is a far better truck at performing the task at hand. Its smarter and better engineered. And has been for a very long time(by far since 2011). The best measure of a truck's performance these dayus is how it hauls downhill, but many of you dolts commenting on these pages just don't get it.

However, the RAM really should win for having management smart enough to outsource their engine to the Cummins and Toyota. Sorry folks, you have to admit(and you are stupid if you don't), that the RAM will simpley last longer and have the best chance of lasting to 500 thousand miles. It'll nickel and dime ya, but it will still keep running, even though it is not quite as well engineered as the GMs.

For the cargo test, will they need to brace the front of the box with a 2x4 like they did last year??

Not a bad truck for being on the smaller end of the full-size scale.

today's logistics firms and interstate haulers are so maxed out that shipping rates will continue to climb. Companies simply cannot hire and deploy truck drivers fast enough.

So, the economics of owning your own hauling rig (even one that retails for north of $70k) becomes more appealing.

Now that's what I'm talk'n about.

What's up with all that rust on a new truck?

i'm so glad i went with the King Ranch over the High Country, two things that would drive me nuts is the back row, i have way more room back there, and the off center steering wheel

The interior of that truck sure is a nice place to spent time hauling, towing or just going out to pick-up a pizza for supper. I should know, I have the same interior.

beautiful truck. Wonder why again they couldn't get it with 4.10 rear end. GM does offer it?

THAT WILL BE THE 2ND OR 3RD PLACE TRUCK. WE ALL KNOW WHO WILL WALK AWAY WITH THE WIN: THE RAM HD OF COURSE!!

GUTS

GLORY

CLASS LEADING

RAM HD

@ ford rules

The off steering wheel is not as noticeable as u think. It doesnt bitter Me at all. I measure my 18 back row to my step dads back row and it a little over an inch from the back center council to the rear seat.

@ ford rules

The off steering wheel is not as noticeable as u think. It doesnt bitter Me at all. I measure my 18 back row to my step dads back row and it a little over an inch from the back center council to the rear seat.

Posted by: TNTGMC | Jul 23, 2018 9:34:13 AM

i agree with on the steering wheel probably more a personal preference, on the back row you could be right i have the 157" WB so that might be the difference because mine sure looks like it has a lot more room in the back than the GM does

AS far as looks, I think Ram does the best "cowboy truck".

What is with all the rusty suspension pieces ( of crap )?

What is with all the rusty suspension pieces ( of crap )?

Posted by: BA | Jul 23, 2018 10:06:19 AM

You see something that stands out and you want to bleach it. Damn, you shouldn't be so insecure.

What is with all the rusty suspension pieces ( of crap )? Posted by: BA | Jul 23, 2018

@BA

So you are saying, if you were the engineer you'd specify galvanized instead of leaving the mild steel parts unprotected underneath?

@TNTGMC- The Duramax pairs with 3.73 gears only, regardless of GVW. Seems to compare well against the competition.

do any of them have rear A/C vents?

What is with all the rusty suspension pieces ( of crap )? Posted by: BA | Jul 23, 2018

@BA

So you are saying, if you were the engineer you'd specify galvanized instead of leaving the mild steel parts unprotected underneath?

Posted by: papajim | Jul 23, 2018 10:49:19 AM
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What? You are putting words in my mouth. I never even remotely came close to saying what you state.

I asked a question. For a vehicle with less than 800 miles, that’s a fair amount of rust on the suspension pieces.

@TNTGMC- The Duramax pairs with 3.73 gears only, regardless of GVW. Seems to compare well against the competition.

Posted by: Mr Knowitall | Jul 23, 2018 10:50:29 AM
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Peoples fixation with rear axel gear ratio are missing a few key ingredients.

What are the transmission gear ratios? The tire height?

Upon more looking, it appears that 3.31 and 3.55 is all you can get for the ford, and 3.42 is the only choice in the Ram, if you constrain yourself to SRW.

The fake BA isn't very intelligent

The current GM trucks are more aesthetically pleasing than the soon to be released eye sore.

That’s a certainty

The fake BA isn't very intelligent

Posted by: Harvey | Jul 23, 2018 11:38:49 AM
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You going to discuss the topic of the article or just make personal attacks?

GM is a nice truck. I have a '15 RAM Aisin 4:10 dually, and tow large trailers in hot climates for a living. Random thoughts: Ram is far easier to self maintain. Ram looks the most dated. Ford seats suck, flat and uncomfortable. Ford interior room seems largest. Z71 LTZ is best looking imo. Ford will have several major repairs by 150K mi. All trucks making excellent torque, transmissions and diffs are becoming weak points. Allison torque converter will let go at 110k or so. I am just now getting pinion bearing noise with the 11.8" diff. on my ram, 144K miles, running Amsoil severe gear 2 changes so far. largest diff unless F-450 which is 12: ring iirc. Ram is still the one that gets it done. No breakdowns for me and I work this truck hard, but don't abuse it and maintain it myself. Pick your poison.

Just stating a certainty based on your rusty comments

@ BA
So your comment on the soon to be released eye sore is a topic of this article?

“ The fake BA isn't very intelligent “

Fake or not, BA is a moron.

@ BA
So your comment on the soon to be released eye sore is a topic of this article?

Posted by: Jim | Jul 23, 2018 11:56:13 AM
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Considering I mentioned I prefer the current trucks looks, yes my comment is on topic

Wow, unless you tow heavy on a daily or weekly basis, that price tag is very steep

@ BA
So your comment on the soon to be released eye sore is a topic of this article?

Posted by: Jim | Jul 23, 2018 11:56:13 AM
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Considering I mentioned I prefer the current trucks looks, yes my comment is on topic

Posted by: BA | Jul 23, 2018 12:00:50 PM

How the current trucks look compared to what?

The GM HD trucks running around in camoflouge?

Ok. I agree.

@ Mr. Knowitall

Very interesting. You are correct. You van only the 4.10 rear end in the has 6.0L . just looked it up in Chevy's website.

Yes GM has odd rear axle pairings. You can get an HD with the 3.73 but not a 4.10 like Ford or Ram. The 3.73 is still very competitive. The half tons with tow package come with a 3.42 and not a 3.73.

I wish GM offered the hood scoop for the half tons. Love the aggressive look of it.

@ Jim

my 17 half ton with the 5.3L had 3.42 tow package with it. Was very pleased with it and how well it pulled. My new 6.2L has 3.23's

@ fake Sean
Why post under my name, still upset over something I said??

Looking forward to the comparison, like I said before, the outcome shouldn't be much different than last year. Other than not being dually, basically same trucks

@ TNT
I'm sure your 3.23 tows ok and with good gas mileage

WHAT A GREAT LOOKING TRUCK

SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE FORD CRAP

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ Sean

It pulls great. With 420HP and 460Tq. Can hardly know boats back there, but there is always a want for more loww end grunt. My old SS Trailblazer had 4.10 and AWD...that thing was a rocket out of the hole! Up to about 60mph....then the ancient 4 spd hindered it after that.

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JUNK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GARBAGE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Ya the 6.2 is pretty amazing, the combo of power and fe is unmatched

@BA

You said the truck had rust underneath. The rest was easy to surmise. I must have missed something.

You guys throw rear ratio's like it's towing god numbers.. smh.. The reason 3.73 works well is because the transmission ratio is geared low enough that the final drive is low enough for higher towing. Unlike the tundra which still uses 4.30 because it's transmission ratio are taller. learn the equation before the answer.

To the comment about check engine lamp. It's not running, tach reads zero. They just turned key on.

Ya the 6.2 is pretty amazing, the combo of power and fe is unmatched

Posted by: Sean | Jul 23, 2018 1:20:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkER_VbeJ2A

i guess you missed this

I think the lower gear ratio moves the load from the transmission to the differential. Just guessing.