2018 Ford F-150 Police Responder: Quick Spin

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By Aaron Bragman

Police cars are both the most awesome and most maddening vehicles to drive on public roads. On one hand, you're the apex predator: Other drivers get out of your way in a hurry, and highway traffic parts for you quicker than the Red Sea parted for Moses. On the other hand, everyone slows down on surface streets, causing you to be stuck behind people going 5 to 10 mph under the speed limit for no obvious reason.

I recently took a Quick Spin behind the wheel of one of the newest police vehicles on the market: Ford's unique 2018 F-150 Police Responder, which became available earlier this year. Ford expects the pickup to head to mostly rural constabularies, border patrols, fish and game services, and agencies that need the capability of an off-road pickup truck instead of an on-road patrol car.

Inside the Cab

The truck starts with the F-150 XL work truck trim and adds the FX4 Off-Road Package. That means it has vinyl flooring, basic cloth seats and a tiny multimedia screen instead of Ford's larger Sync 3 touchscreen.

The truck I drove didn't have the lights and sirens of a typical police vehicle, but it was outfitted inside with an aftermarket console that allows control panels and computers to be mounted. Because the truck has its factory center console deleted, it features a column shifter to free up some room between the seats.

Under the Hood

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But Ford uses this tough-truck starting point as a platform to build on, adding the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 engine making 375 horsepower and 470 pounds-feet of torque. It's mated to the latest 10-speed automatic transmission and has a part-time four-wheel-drive system. Ford adds extra underbody protection with more skid plates, 18-inch alloy wheels with Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac tires and heavy-duty brake calipers. Under the hood, the only modification is a heavy-duty 240-amp alternator that powers all the onboard electronics and computers that law enforcement agencies install.

How It Drives

Out on the street, the F-150 Police Responder was remarkably civilized for a police vehicle. Law enforcement Chevrolet Tahoes I've driven have all been piggish, heavy and sluggish in their responses, with a lot of weight to haul around and a top-heavy feel that makes me marvel at the skills of the law enforcement officers who pilot them in high-speed pursuits. The F-150 had no such hang-ups: Despite the off-road tires (which allowed for a remarkably supple ride on-road), the pickup felt responsive and quick. Credit the torque profile of that 3.5-liter engine, but the 10-speed automatic also does wonders for keeping things in the hot zone for engine response.

Steering feel was light and heavily boosted, as one would expect from an FX4 F-150, but thanks to the aluminum construction of the F-150 shifting its center of gravity lower than that of a traditional steel pickup or SUV, it felt planted and stable around corners without the tippyness that plagues the Tahoe. The brakes are strong and easy to modulate, with the extra grip from the larger calipers bleeding off speed in the F-150 with absolutely zero drama. Acceleration is decent, but the secret to getting the most performance out of the F-150 Responder is to press the Drive mode button until it's in Sport mode.

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Sport mode wakes this truck up and turns every turbocharged F-150 into a sports truck regardless of its trim level. Throttle responses get more immediate. Gears are held longer. I predict that most law enforcement officers who end up behind the wheel of these things will keep them in Sport mode most of the time just to get the most performance out of their trucks on a daily basis.

What It Costs

The 2018 Ford F-150 Police Responder starts at $44,450 including destination, but don't rush to your local Ford dealer to buy one; they're sold only through Ford's fleet outlets and only to registered law enforcement agencies. If you want one, you'll have to wait a few years to see if one shows up on the used market, like all police vehicles eventually do.

So, if you live in a rural area, you have our condolences. The best-selling vehicle in the world now gets a police package that will make spotting our friends in blue on the highway more challenging when exceeding the legal speed limit. Not that any of our readers do that. Nor do our writers. Of course not.

Cars.com photos by Aaron Bragman

 

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Comments

I would be curious to see how much these F-150s would sell used at an auction.

@Jeff S

It's easy, just go to an auction.

They're usually public. Former police cruisers are usually beat to sh*t by the time they're retired.

Have it your way though.

I don't want to argue with a guy that needs 400 words just to say "good morning."

also until recently was driving a 2016 Silverado with a terrible shake over 70mph (dealer couldn't remedy in 1 year) and what i would call the worst shifting (operating as designed) trans i have experienced (lag and gear hunting ALL the time).

Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 20, 2018 1:43:33 PM

Sorry to hear about that. As a former technician myself with vast amounts of GM experience to boot, I would love to have worked on that truck and solved the mystery. Because vehicles are mass produced, sometimes quality issues filter into the mix. These issues can be resolved and eliminated. It's not rocket science.

Answer me this. Do the "2 different F-series models" offer a level of capability that is the same? Or do the "2 different F-series models" offer the same ladder of capability that the Silverado line-up offers and the reason that gm cannot call all its full-size trucks Silverado only without number designation after the half-ton capabilty??

Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 20, 2018 1:05:39 PM

Sorry mate, i'm not that good at riddles.

also until recently was driving a 2016 Silverado with a terrible shake over 70mph (dealer couldn't remedy in 1 year) and what i would call the worst shifting (operating as designed) trans i have experienced (lag and gear hunting ALL the time).

Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 20, 2018 1:43:33 PM

Sorry to hear about that. As a former technician myself with vast amounts of GM experience to boot, I would love to have worked on that truck and solved the mystery. Because vehicles are mass produced, sometimes quality issues filter into the mix. These issues can be resolved and eliminated. It's not rocket science.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Aug 20, 2018 2:52:07 PM


The goodwill is appreciated, i've no doubt you have Gm technical experience that may have been what was lacking at the dealerships i visited. I do agree that mass produced anything will ALWAYS have defective product that slips past quality control. In the Gm 2014+ trucks i do believe that there is a more broad suspension/wheel issue that has affected many trucks (i understand not all have the shake) and Gm just decided to let the next gen truck be the cure (hopefully). The trans behavior i came to accept is just the programming/AFM that to me just flat out sucks and makes the truck (5.3L/6-speed) feel like it has no balls during many driving scenarios.

Lets help out Gmsrgreat ,
He has had a rough couple of days.
The answer is Yes on ladder of capabilities.

The goodwill is appreciated, i've no doubt you have Gm technical experience that may have been what was lacking at the dealerships i visited. I do agree that mass produced anything will ALWAYS have defective product that slips past quality control. In the Gm 2014+ trucks i do believe that there is a more broad suspension/wheel issue that has affected many trucks (i understand not all have the shake) and Gm just decided to let the next gen truck be the cure (hopefully). The trans behavior i came to accept is just the programming/AFM that to me just flat out sucks and makes the truck (5.3L/6-speed) feel like it has no balls during many driving scenarios.


Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 20, 2018 3:52:10 PM

I despise the active torque management parameters from the factory. You pay for the power and should have it when you flat foot it. It's one thing to have the electronic throttle ease into acceleration, but at some point please let the motor do what it was designed to do. Turning on tow/haul or 3 hard accelerations in a row bring it back to life but it's the reason I sought out a 6.2 for my current vehicle. Much better response and performance due to not being the volume seller.

In the Gm 2014+ trucks i do believe that there is a more broad suspension/wheel issue that has affected many trucks (i understand not all have the shake) and Gm just decided to let the next gen truck be the cure (hopefully). The trans behavior i came to accept is just the programming/AFM that to me just flat out sucks and makes the truck (5.3L/6-speed) feel like it has no balls during many driving scenarios.


Posted by: FullSize_only

Which is why GM is now building their own version of the 9.5"/9.75" axles instead of using AAM axles. The transmission tuning is also why they now have a sport mode option in the 2019 trucks. Most 14-18 GM 1/2-tons drive much better just by driving the truck more aggressively. The guys that granny their truck everywhere are the ones that complain about hard shifts and no power, because the transmission has adapted to their lazy driving style. Drive the truck aggressively and the transmission will hold gears longer and boost pressures for better shifting. And some of the 5.3's benefit from running 89 octane in the summer. If you run cheap 87 octane from the gas station with poor quality fuel, the ECM is going to pull timing and make the truck feel lethargic.

I despise the active torque management parameters from the factory. You pay for the power and should have it when you flat foot it. It's one thing to have the electronic throttle ease into acceleration, but at some point please let the motor do what it was designed to do. Turning on tow/haul or 3 hard accelerations in a row bring it back to life but it's the reason I sought out a 6.2 for my current vehicle. Much better response and performance due to not being the volume seller.


Posted by: andrwken | Aug 20, 2018 4:26:46 PM

Yes i do believe that if Gm didnt restrain the power delivery with torque management/AFM and had better transmission programming then a 5.3l 6-speed would be a better combo than what i thought it was in a crewcab with 3.42 gears. I would hope a 6.2L would have better drivabilty but i still wonder if thats more a product of higher power output than having any better programming than a 5.3L.

this ongoing discussion of the shift programming in the current GM half ton trucks is way off topic but it fascinates me because I recently had a 2018 LT double cab loaner while my own truck was in the shop.

I loved everything about the 2018 but the automatic trans really lets the whole drivetrain down. It was smooth but the 3-4 shift comes way too early and falls flat, almost stalling. It seems to be a common complaint.

Apart from that the truck was very smooth, quiet and comfortable.

Which is why GM is now building their own version of the 9.5"/9.75" axles instead of using AAM axles. The transmission tuning is also why they now have a sport mode option in the 2019 trucks. Most 14-18 GM 1/2-tons drive much better just by driving the truck more aggressively. The guys that granny their truck everywhere are the ones that complain about hard shifts and no power, because the transmission has adapted to their lazy driving style. Drive the truck aggressively and the transmission will hold gears longer and boost pressures for better shifting. And some of the 5.3's benefit from running 89 octane in the summer. If you run cheap 87 octane from the gas station with poor quality fuel, the ECM is going to pull timing and make the truck feel lethargic.


Posted by: mstangt | Aug 20, 2018 4:46:37 PM


If AAM was a source of problem axles then good move now hopefully they can make axles without they're own set of issues. The sport mode does sound like it would make the truck feel more responsive but would it be something most people would always want to have active? (kind of the same as do most people always want to drive with tow/haul on?).

As for the whole people should drive more agressive so the computer learns your style i have to say NO. I do understand the ECM with time does to some degree make changes according to you're driving style but there is no excuse why a truck with 355hp should feel gutless under hardly any driving scenario even if you are a conservative driver. My real world seat-of-the pants drivabilty experience would instantly be better when i would drive my 09' F-150 with a 4.6L 3V (292hp/320tq) 6-speed 3.31 gear after having driven my 16' Silverado 5.3L (355hp/383tq) 6-speed 3.42 gear and thats with the same driver, same driving style, same gas, same roads. Now if i would have been able to drag race myself from a dead stop im sure the Silverado would have beat my F150 but common with 60 more hp/tq how could it not,
In the end for me it came down the fact that i dont drive my trucks WOT the majority of time and during my mixed driving commutes the F-150's drivabilty involves none of the lagging/gear hunting/ v4 to v8 delay the silverado did.

@FullSize_only

Let's stop all this arguing and get together for some coffee?

this ongoing discussion of the shift programming in the current GM half ton trucks is way off topic but it fascinates me

Posted by: papajim | Aug 20, 2018 5:31:55 PM

mstangt best explained the transmission behavior and the type of driving style that bring out the complaints. I have the 8 speed in my Silverado and find that it up shifts early during moderate acceleration. I presume these shift points are an effort to keep RPMs down for fuel efficiency. It's effective in that respect but unfortunately reveals some undesirable driveability tendecies.

@papajim--Thanks, coming from the guy who switches the goal posts.

Some of you guys are definitely slow.....

Or 10 years old.....

Or crazy.....


Posted by: andrwken | Aug 20, 2018 2:33:21 PM

the apple didn't fall far from the tree with this one

A quick way to solve this problem is go get it tuned. Costs around $300 and it drives and accelerates like it should have. If u have troubles. Set it back to its original settings before taking it into dealership. I never had a single issue with my 5.3L tuned and 3.42 rear end. When tuned it would best my step dads 13 ecoboost with 3:55 gears. It had older ecoboost and 6 spd compared to my 8 spd tranny.

If u don't want to tune it. Stop complaining and live with it. It's a choice only u who bought the truck has to make.

But I do agree with everyone that if u pay $35-$50k u shouldn't have to tune it, but reality is unfortunately u have to....sucks!

ever hear dashcam of a police chase and you hear the NA engines bog down between shifts because of the tall gears

@ tntgmc So you are saying a 5.3 is faster than a ecoboost. Now that is funny I don't care who you are.

@ FIF

I'm saying my 2017 5.3L, 3:42 rear end with 8 spd and a tune beat my step dads 2013 ecoboost with 3:55 gears and 6 spd. Yes! Why is that so hard to believe? A tune on the 5.3L makes it a whole different beast!

No offense but u wouldn't have a clue bc u think a 5.4L is better than a 5.3L. I could go on and on how the new 5.3L from 14-18 are screamers with just a different tune! Then have it programmed for E85 if its a flexfuel 5.3L and it will keep up with a stock 6.2L. Not beat but keep up! Understand the difference.

https://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f22/lingenfelter-tests-e85-through-new-silverado-119387/#/topics/119387

Here is E85 before a tune. Almost 30HP off the bat. Then add a tune on top of that. You see the picture focusing in now Frank?!?

Some of you guys are definitely slow.....

Or 10 years old.....

Or crazy.....


Posted by: andrwken | Aug 20, 2018 2:33:21 PM

the apple didn't fall far from the tree with this one


Posted by: That Guy Frank | Aug 20, 2018 6:08:41 PM


Glad you recognized it was you I was pointing out.

Now take your 10 aliases (personalities?) and have a meeting to discuss how you can behave normally on the internet

@ tntgmc So you are saying take a 5.3 and spend money to void the warranty just so it might maybe as fast as a 3.5. You never quit being funny. Just buy a 3.5 or 2.7 or 5.0 and have a vehicle with warranty and faster than a 5.3. Also you will own one of the best selling vehicles in the world.

@Dale: Thanks :)

@ FIF

Man u obviously dont read for comprehension. All u want to do is argue.

I said if u want to complain about the programming. Get it tuned. If u get it tuned it is a screamer!!

GM has neutered the 5.3L for FE. I dont agree with it at all. Hopefully the new 19s are better fuel on factory.

All 3 of those Ford engines u spoke of are all fast. I agree, but the 5.0L sucks gas like not other. The ecojokes only get gas mileage if u baby them and that is still a hit or miss on them. Plus all 3/of those engines are more complex, more parts that could go wromg, and dont have the reputation of GM small block technology behind them. I'll take 100 million small block V8s heritage! How many has Ford sold?? Owe ya they basically gave up and went to ecojunk!

Plus GM still has the 6.2L that none of those three can compete with in ALL around performance!

And no I wouldn't buy a Ford bc they are junk, cheaply made, and have left my family stranded many times when I was younger.
And they are still junk bc I still see it all the time. I have a nephew, father in law and brother in law that have drank enough Ford lies kool aide as you. Ford has them convinced like many other saps.

But when real world performance comes to play and TRUE facts, GM always come on top. Interesting isnt it!

Anything else Mr. Triton!?!

@ tnt

How is calling out the fact that the gm powertrain programming sucks complaining?
So if youre Gmc came with bent wheels you wouldnt "complain" instead you would go and buy aftermarket wheels?

"The ecojokes only get gas mileage if u baby them" Isnt that the truth with ALL engines?? Or does your GM unicorn return the rated MPG's when you are out "screaming" past all the Ecoboosts?

"I'll take 100 million small block V8s heritage! How many has Ford sold??" What small block heritage does today's GM V8 share with the V8's GM made before 1997?? The fact that the camshaft is still in the block dosent mean it shares anything
with the V8 from 1955, if youre "heritage" is the fact gm calls it a small block then you sir are a definetly a gm kool-aid drinker.

"Plus GM still has the 6.2L that none of those three can compete with in ALL around performance!" Sure those three might not compete with a 6.2L just like nothing
gm offers can compete with the Ecoboost in the Raptor and soon to be in F-150 Limited.

The classic gm fan calling Ford junk just like the Ford fan calling Gm garbage.... LOL!

Hey Gm's have left me and lots of people i know stranded too bud, and we can both make looong lists of cheaply made things about both brands.

"But when real world performance comes to play and TRUE facts, GM always come on top." This sounds like a gm commercial are you on their payroll?? LMFAO!!

@ full size

I have seen first hand that the ecojunk doesnt get good gas mileage. Have 3 in the family. Non of them get as good FE as I get in my truck. Babied or not babied!!

Your case for SB V8s by GM is that they are still pushrods engines, sure technology has changed but they are still simple/less complex them Ford's DOHC setup.... Your clueless if u think otherwise

Plus how many SB did Ford sell again?? Thought so!

As for your comment on vehicles leaving stranded. I was pointing out thats why I can't stand ford. I have had better luck with GM than Ford.

Your Raptor comment is funny bc they are nice trucks but for $70k its not worth it BC if I wanted my $45K truck to compete. For $7k I can add a supercharger to my 6.2L and annihilate your junk gerbil motor. And still have $18k to spend on something else. So your argument us frutile.

Plus your comment on the limited having new raptor motor. We shall see when they do comparison test with that motor and new 6.2L with 10/spd and weight savings. So your hypothesis is just that for now...no FACTS yet!

And my real world performance comment is a fact. Gm trucks whether diesel or gas always come out on top in performance even though Ford claims best in class. Look at 4 years of comparison tests. The data doesnt lie!

^^^

What a tool. Low-life.

@ tntgmc "Get it tuned" This is your answer???? When you "tune" a new vehicle the warranty is voided. This is also illegal. Now you have a vehicle that does not meet emissions standards so will not pass test in states that have them. All of this just to be maybe fast as the 3.5 completely stock. You need to step back and take a better look.

How does an article about a 2018 F150 Police Responder get turned into an off topic GMShill propaganda piece thanks to TNTGMC?

He sure shows his insecurities and ignorance...time and time again

@ BA, FIF, and his Son Frank

If you go back and read...which you ALL struggle with. I was responding to the comments about the programming of the 5.3L---TQ management and lazy shifts in transmission.....but you don't proof read, you only want to belittle. You suck at it by the way.

You guys truly are hopeless, and all you ever have are insults. Totally hopeless.

As for FIF, I was just stating you can tune it, but there are tunes out there that allow you to return them to factory setting if you have issues. Get a clue and a grip

As for BA..you are the most insecure female on here. You are getting as bad as your brother Frank with insults and stupid comments.

BTW...you have 3 engines choices that still can't compete with the N/A 6.2L from GM. Let excuses roll in......


Its a shame that PUTC censors this comment section. But only when GM is made to look in a bad light. My comments have been censored many times.......


Just tried posting my response to TNT several times and it must not fit PUTC agenda......

They ban keywords. Not comments.


I will try in pieces and see what those keyword might be:

@tnt


Well i know for a fact that FE is one of the most subjective measurements on a truck, so because you know Ecoboost owners that means its apples to apples and they drive excactly as you would?

@tnt

"Pushrod engines"? Thats what makes them related? Oh ok, then Ford Ecoboost heritage goes back to the first engine Henry Ford put together since it was internal combustion and made of metal. "technology has changed but they are still simple/less complex" Simple they are not, dont kid yourself the Gm V8's of today are very complex no matter how you spin it, less complex than Ford engines yes. What does that mean? Nothing really, why does Gm want a more complex "fuel saving" gimmick for 2019 if complex is bad?

@tnt

Ford has sold millions of V8's and still sells them today. SB is just the name Gm gave their new V8 design in 1955 which dosent mean its a running count along with the totally different design LS motor just because they still call it a SB.

@tnt

The Raptor comment was made since you brought in the 6.2 when the comparison was between 5.3 and non-Raptor Ford engines. And there you go again talking about going aftermarket to beat a competitors factory offering. Well that would be like me saying that after you drop money on the
6.2l to be able to beat the factory Raptor then the Raptor or Limited owner can drop money on their motor and smoke your "big ol'" 6.2

@tnt

Yeah i agree we will eventually see when the 2019 6.2 and the top-line 2019 Ecoboost square off.

"Gm trucks whether diesel or gas always come out on top in performance even though Ford claims best in class. Look at 4 years of comparison tests. The data doesnt lie!" Negative on this!!

Does the 3/4 ton gasser comparison end with a Gm win? A 5.3 will not beat a 5.0l. The Limited is coming to show you its tail lights soon but as for the Raptor it has been a fact since 2017 that NO gm truck (bar none) can match its performance!

So yeah data dosent lie but seems like you can lie to yourself.....

@ Full size

LOL...I struck a nerve huh??

Your comment about FE and driving the ecoboost is funny! There are more ecobusts out there that don't achieve Ford lies MPGs then do achieve it! Heck, EVERY magazine that has tested the eco-junk whether in trucks or suvs, they always under perform!

Ford has not even come close to selling as many V8's as GM has but you go ahead and think what you want.

You comparing a Raptor to a Half ton truck, when Fords is a special edition is laughable. I was saying if you want to spend $70k for a truck that has plastic 4 wheel drive system, Ill take my $45k truck and add a supercharger to it, (Which is still $18k less) and smoke your little gerbil motor!! (apples to apples) And you can upgrade that gerbil motor all you want. It won't handle all that jazz and you will have it in the shop!

Yes, I agree Fords 6.2L will beat GM's 6.0L. But it should Gm hasn't updated it since 2005, but it hasn't needed to bc its a reliable/bulletproof motor, that does the job!
The Duramax still beats the Powerstroke.....for 18 years!

The 5.3L and 5.0L is a wash in my book. the 5.3L gets better FE and tows well, while the 5.0L has more HP/TQ, and will win a drag race. I also agree that GM has neutered the 5.3L bc they are more focused on getting best mpgs out of the 5.3L No denying that, but thats why they have the 6.2L

and your limited with new Raptor motor, its all hypothesis.....and if it does beat the 6.2L, its about time bc its gotten handed to it for the past 8 years since its introduction in 2011....8 years...wow great job!!! Took you long enough...But i think you will be surprised how fast new Gm twins are with less weight and 10 spd

Sp if it losses, what will be your excuse then?? We still have more HP/TQ...LOL

So your only data you really have is the 6.2L SD does beat a 16 year old 6.0L GM gas engine......Great job!!

Who's always following who? GM>Ford!

No nerve struck, i enjoy letting tnt know what time it is. I am glad Chris chimed in about the keywords tho because it has been several times that has happened to me. At the same time i will apologize to PUTC for the incorrect accusation.

@ full size

When have u ever let me know....keep drinking that kool aide.

@tntgmc You really do not have a clue. When you "tune" an engine you are breaking a federal law. I know in most states you are not likely to be caught. Some manufacturers have ability to now know you have reprogrammed and then changed back. So you advocate breaking the law just to maybe get as fast as 3.5 or 5.0. And by the way the 2.7 Ecoboost is still faster than the 6.2.

@tnt

"There are more ecobusts out there that don't achieve Ford lies MPGs then do achieve it! Heck, EVERY magazine that has tested the eco-junk whether in trucks or suvs, they always under perform!" How can you possibly know this? Because you know every Ecoboost owner personally?? I haven't seen every magazine out there but if you are saying it i already doubt it....

"Ford has not even come close to selling as many V8's as GM has but you go ahead and think what you want." Again how do you know this? You read that in a gm forum? That must make it true right? LOL!! Seriously though I could believe Gm has sold more V8's i wouldnt be surprised, what does surprise me is people believing todays gm V8 has anything in common with 1955-2003 SBC.


Yes it is a special edition truck that you will pay more and will always be worth more than a non factory supercharged gm truck with a clapped out 6.2L ....... Dont be mad we all know what happens to truck/car values when you "upgrade" the engine.

"And you can upgrade that gerbil motor all you want. It won't handle all that jazz and you will have it in the shop!" Hennesey makes a nice upgraded Raptor, im guessing they agree with you huh? You made me out to be comparing the Raptor which i was not i was pointing out (like you did about 6.2) that Ford does have an engine that competes and beats the top gm offering. Just a fact.

Let me correct you gm fan: the gm 6.0 in todays heavy dutys came out in 2007 and Fords 6.2L in heavy dutys has been beating them since 2011.

I can go with 5.3 vs 5.0 being a wash just like in my book today's Powerstroke vs Duramax is a wash too.

As for the rest of you're gm defending we will just wait and see when the 2019's are out....
I must say that It seems like you already have youre excuse ready for when that Limited beats the high country/denali

Let me correct you gm fan: the gm 6.0 in todays heavy dutys came out in 2007 and Fords 6.2L in heavy dutys has been beating them since 2011.

I can go with 5.3 vs 5.0 being a wash just like in my book today's Powerstroke vs Duramax is a wash too.

As for the rest of you're gm defending we will just wait and see when the 2019's are out....
I must say that It seems like you already have youre excuse ready for when that Limited beats the high country/denali


Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 21, 2018 5:00:44 PM

Ummm,

You better do a little research on the 6.0 vs 6.2 in hd trucks.

The 6.0 gm actually pulled better numbers than the 6.2 on the track in some years. I will say mostly on Ford not offering the gearing it needed and a trans that eats too much power.

The 6.7 and 6.6 is hardly a wash. Performance wise the duramax has beaten the powerstroke regularly when compared. Again i question if a power thirsty transmission is eating up that power advantage or a peaky torque curve that gets best in class numbers but doesnt show in the real world

You guys are talking engines here so don't drag a bunch of other variables into it. Power wise, it will be interesting to see how the 2019’s perform with a 6.2 mated to the same 10 speed.

I believe we will learn a lot about which motors really perform to spec.

@ full size

Lol. U obviously don't read magazines. Figures. U dont read at all. U just hypothesis like your always doing. BTW. It was 2005 the 6.0L was introduced in the HD. Get it straight.
As for your Raptor. Keep bragging bc in comparisons it get beat NY a V6 ZR2.
And the Duramax beats the power stroke. U have proof in front of u with last 3 comparison tests and duramax has won performance categories....but then again, u don't like facts.
Keep being in denial...your 6.2L in HD beats a 13 year old 6.0L. Awesome man! So impressed.

@ FIF

It'd not illegal to tune a half ton truck. I have never heard that. Its illegal to delete a diesel. Need to get your story straight. I wasnt talking about a diesel. I was talking about a 5.3L. yes, it could void warranty if they check. Thats price u pay to play!

@ FIF

I've given facts after FACTS that prove 6.2L is much faster than a 2.7L.. But u dont like facts either. Unreal.

@tnt

I do read magazines, but i wont lie like you and say i have read "EVERY" magazine. You sure you are not just looking at the pictures?? Going by your Gm knowledge i think you didnt read. Let me show you what time it is again....
The 6.0L was first available in a gm 2500 truck in 2001 and the 6.0L available TODAY in a 2500 was first available in 2007. Got it? Good.

What part of the comparison did the ZR2 beat the Raptor? (i know what part the ZR2 didnt win) Was the comparison held in the dessert where the Raptor was designed to fly?

I think the last Dmax vs Powerstroke performance was close enough that you cant say one smoked the other.

Not in denial at all just call it like i see it....

@ full size

Prove me wrong. Go read articles on ecoboosts. The never achieve their mpgs. Face it!

Raptor shines in sand....awesome. U got alot of sand where u live?? Where i live i have none. ZR2 performs better off road and on pavement....where most of these trucks drive

Read, read and read more articles here on PUTC on comparison tests of Heavy duty trucks ...the facts dont lie that duramax dominates. Obviously u believe what YOU want though....thats plain to see from your comment "I call it like I see it".

I will concede that the ecoboost motors are far more advanced and powerful then the current crop of GM motors.

Oops. Forgot to login again! Too busy thinking about floppy tits.

@GMSRGREAT

Could you go ahead and post a couple pics so I can get this outta my mind already?



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