How Do You Define Performance?

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If history is any indication, getting a Ford Super Duty Raptor is quite likely given the success of the Ford F-150 Raptor and the recent debut of the Australian-designed Ranger Raptor. Ford has not yet announced a Ranger Raptor for the U.S. Nevertheless, it still makes Ford's heavy-duty pickups the only ones left not to benefit from an overhaul by the Ford global performance team. We're guessing that could change when the next-generation Super Duty gets ready to make its debut for model-year 2020 — if Ford continues on its existing path.

It's no secret that pickup truck makers devote quite a bit of money, marketing and engineering to creating credible off-road vehicles. If you analyze pickup truck lineups, it seems like truckmakers define performance packages as having credible four-wheel-drive equipment. Think Toyota's TRD Pro; Chevrolet's ZR1, ZR2 and Trail Boss; Nissan's Pro-4X; GMC's AT4; Ford's Raptor; Ram's Rebel, TRX and Power Wagon with more coming.

But whatever happened to high-horsepower, street-tuned pickups?

Ford's SVT, Dodge's SRT, Nissan's NISMO and even Toyota's TRD performance teams used to build performance pickups. But now they're all gone and we don't quite understand why. Clearly there's a market for performance packages, and there's no reason that a street-tuned pickup can't still haul and tow a substantial load. We like that pickup truck makers are investing in building better frames, suspensions and powertrains because those are key components of a usable, durable pickup. But let's not forget that there are plenty of people who want performance from their machines as well, and that means more than just an all-wheel-drive version or an optional set of tires.

PickupTrucks.com can't wait to see something like a Super Duty F-250 Raptor, but we'd also like to see a new Titan NISMO or maybe a Chevrolet Colorado SS. Or how about a one-ton dually with a new supercharged V-8 gas engine ready to send the Dodge Demons and Hellcats back to the inferno.

No matter how automakers define performance, we think there's plenty of room at both ends of the spectrum — dirt and pavement — for better packages.

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Comments

Why dont you stop wondering about percentages and possibilities and accept the advantage of a 2wd 8-speed 3.73 gear truck versus a 4wd 6-speed 3.55 gear truck.
Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 24, 2018 10:13:44 PM

The Silverado didn't have 3.73's, it had the 8-speed and 3.42's. TFLT messed up the specs. Can't get 3.73's with the 8-speed. Never was an option.

d you actually read what i said before running your mouth trying to defend the 5.3L (you must own one and feel offended)?? I said the chevy had the weight but was missing the additional 4wd drag (yes those additional components take power to turn) AND it had a shorter 3.73 rear end. If those things dont make a difference then tell me why the other chevy with the "all mighty" 6.2L was only one second faster than the 5.3L? What drivetrain difference's besides the engine size did the 2 cheby's have?

https://www.tfltruck.com/2016-ike-gauntlet-highway-mpg/


Now how will you know what truck was in what gear for how much percentage of the run? Are you serious?? And your calling me names? Shows who is pathetic... LMFAO

Why dont you stop wondering about percentages and possibilities and accept the advantage of a 2wd 8-speed 3.73 gear truck versus a 4wd 6-speed 3.55 gear truck.
Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 24, 2018 10:13:44 PM


First and foremost, axle ratios only make a difference when starting from a stop. From there on out, the axle ratio is pretty unimportant. Second, as Brawndo pointed out, TFLT was wrong about the Silverado they tested. They even mentioned that the Silverado had 3.42's when they tested the F-150 5.0

https://youtu.be/E6foaq6NUbg?t=1m51s

GM never allowed the 3.73 axle ratio to be matched with the 8-speed. Could't even choose that combination though a fleet order. The truck they had actually had 3.42's. The 5.3+8-speed+3.42's was the max tow package for an LTZ or High Country trim. In an LT trim, the max tow package was the 5.3+6-speed+3.73's. Once the trucks are moving, the axle ratio's only effect is on which gear you have to use. 5th too tall? The trans downshifts and suddenly the truck has a better final drive and either speeds up or maintains its speed. The 8-speed gave the 5.3 an extra underdrive gear ratio to work with but the 5.0's higher redline lets it hold shorter gears longer before it has to shift.

Second, the reason Ford uses the antiquated vac assist shift on the fly 4WD is because the parasitic losses while in 2WD is EXTREMELY low. That's the only reason they continue to use the system despite being unreliable and less than rugged. The wheels are disengaged from the axle shafts, and the front diff is disengaged from the transfer case at the TC. The transfer case doesn't create much drag at all when it's not turning the front driveshaft, and the front axle shafts and differential are not moving at all. So trying to claim that the F-150 was at a disadvantage because of "drag" is ridiculous. What next? Are you going to claim the Ford was advantage because the tires it had were higher drag than the Chevy's?

The F-150 had a 600 pound weight advantage. The Chevy weighed 500 lbs more, and then TFLT put 100 extra pounds in the bed to account for the weight of the transfer case. That 600 lbs goes a long way in balancing out the tiny difference in "drag" and the tiny gearing advantage.

On paper, the 5.0 should have ran away from the 5.3. The Ford had more horsepower, more torque, powering a truck that weighed 600 lbs less, and had 3.55's instead of the 5.3's 3.42's.

All those advantages and the 5.0 still lost. It even had twice as many valves per cylinder. Fail.

LOL Ramking just took Fullsize to school. TTurns out the F-150 had a better axle ratio, had a 600 lb weight advantage, had twice as many valves for better breathing, arguably had better trans shift logic, had a higher redline so it could hold lower gears longer before it had to shift, and it STILL lost. What a pooch haha! I don't care if the Ford lost 2% power turning the chain inside the transfer case, the 'yote still had a 30 HP advantage and made more torque on top of it.

@TNTGAY,

Your wife never calls me little man. She calls me Big Daddy!

@TNTGAY,
I changed your name like a little kid just like you do! All I gotta say is 0-60 in 5.7 seconds from a 2.7 EcoBeast!! Woooo!! I wonder if Chevys 2.7 will do that???

@ TNTGAY,
Did you read the TFL 0-60 Halo? The 6.2 Chevy finished 4th right behind the 2.7 EcoBeast!! The 2.7 did finish behind both 3.5 EcoBeast tho, so it wasn't first.

The 8-speed gave the 5.3 an extra underdrive gear ratio to work with but the 5.0's higher redline lets it hold shorter gears longer before it has to shift.

@HD RAMKING

Technically true, but who the hell drives like that? Redline? We're talking pickup trucks. Even for the guys who haul lumber and building supplies, you don't see them pulling burn-outs with a load of gear in the back, unless maybe it's a Friday afternoon Miller-time run. Mom&Pop aren't picking up the kids at school and bumping the redline on the way home (except my daughter and her kids)

Your wife never calls me little man. She calls me Big Daddy!
Posted by: 2.7EcoBoostRoost | Aug 25, 2018

@2.7ecoboost

Your commentary rarely adds anything of value to this site, and today's example is no exception. Please put a muzzle on it.

@ ecobust rust

Whatever makes u feel better man. You win in the in the mountains, bc of altitude.... Big Whoopi! I live where 70% of population live at or below sea level.

Keep drinking your kool aide. Its an absolute gimmick and u got suckered into it. I'll start a pole and more GUYS will choose my big 6.2L over your little 2.7L.



@tnt and his cheerleaders


You guys really made me laugh this morning! All you guys getting technical and trying to support gm's 5.3L (yes I know a lot of you are stuck with that slug) win in a over 2 year old comparison with all manner of downplaying the unfair TFL comparison. Yet where is all the feedback for the question about why the 6.2L was only 1 teeny tiny second faster than a anemic 5.3L ?? I know guys read that part too right??

Pickers and choosers is what you tough guy gm defenders are!! If nothing else you guys are always good for a laugh.... LOL!

@ full size


I see u didnt take your meds. The proof is in front of u...u don't want see it though

And then I agree with u that new 18 5.0L performs well, but your so dense u dont see that. I think your losing it man!

Let's see what 19s comparison is like.

BTW....what do you drive full size??


@tnt

Really dude? Taking meds? Yeah that is the type you strike me as, someone who resorts to cheapshots when you are cornered and need to deflect. Again you are a funny guy. LOL!

What no answer to why the 6.2 vs 5.3 discrepancy??

Why wait till 2019 (I'm sure gm will be second then too). To the guy who always claims to be about facts, today (not past and not future) Ford beats your favorite look-aid drink in many performance comparisons. Just facts...

@ full size

Really dude? What are u twelve? I dont care about the discrepancy of the 2 engines. They both beat your 5.0L. Didnt they? Ya thats what I thought!

You ran your mouth about the 5.3L, yet the facts state its a great motor!

Ford doesnt beat in comparisons?? What planet are u from? You showed one review in 18 where 5.0L did well and a 16 review on 5.3L where it didnt! It wasn't a head to head comparison! TFL and PUTC were comparisons, 5.3L won that comparison and it performed well in the PUTC comparison which u obviously didnt rear bc u didnt know it beat the Hemi!! Again. Your the clown and your posts show it

Again take your meds. .preferred not with the ford kool.aide

You still haven't answered my question....what do u drive?

" I dont care about the discrepancy of the 2 engines."

I thought you were all about facts?? Wouldn't you want to know why the difference or you only like to cite "facts" when they show gm win? Yeah you would say you dont care since it proves that comparison was flawed or that the 6.2 is as lame as a 5.3. But alright i will let you be who you are, the ignorant gm boy who picks his "facts".

Ford doesn't beat gm in comparisons??

Who wins here in 3.5L vs 6.2L??

https://www.tfltruck.com/2017-ike-gauntlet-highway-mpg/

"You showed one review in 18 where 5.0L did well and a 16 review on 5.3L where it didnt!"

That 16 review truck would it be the same thing available in 18? Yup excact same! Alright then the 18 Ford would smoke it!! Before you whine like usual, what would be the difference in a head to head since C/D tested both? Its ok if you dont like Ford embarrassing gm but its another fact im proving to you.

We already know who wins in the 3/4 & 1 ton gasser comparison.

So what was that about "Ford dosent beat in comparisons"?? Or are you again going to say "well im just waiting on 2019"??


I drive a 2009 F-150. It has been a great truck too.

full size

Again 1 comparison a 3.5L beats a 6.2L in altitude

All other comparisons at sea level and below 6.2L. Wins. But u dont like facts in that!! Your laughable. 1 win vs a plethora for the 6.2L. Your funny.

The 6.2L vs 5.3L. I dont care bc they both
Performed better than your 5.0L. With a 500 lb weight advantage, but u dont want to talk about that....your a complete clown thats in denial

My father has an 09 f150 been pretty good as well but he is a mechanic and has stayed on top of it.


We can not forget about the granddaddy of them all... The 1978/'79 Dodge Lil' Red Express!

All you guys getting technical and trying to support gm's 5.3L (yes I know a lot of you are stuck with that slug) win in a over 2 year old comparison with all manner of downplaying the unfair TFL comparison.
Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 25, 2018 7:48:52 AM

Sounds like you're frustrated because you lack the intelligence to understand all that "technical" stuff they're pointing out. The Ford had 4WD but Ford uses a low drag design at the expense of poor reliability and weak plastic parts. The 5.0 was moving a truck that was 600 pounds lighter and had the "better" axle ratio. The 5.0 has a wider powerband so it can hold the shorter gears longer before it has to shift. The 5.0 had practically every advantage and lost to the small GM V8.

You sound like a pansy with all that whining. 600 pounds lighter and a better axle ratio and you still cry "unfair". That gutless 5.0 had less weight to move and it LOST.

Just be glad Ford finally got rid of that gutless p0s 5.4 or that F-150 would have been minutes behind the rest.

That 16 review truck would it be the same thing available in 18? Yup excact same! Alright then the 18 Ford would smoke it!! Before you whine like usual, what would be the difference in a head to head since C/D tested both? Its ok if you dont like Ford embarrassing gm but its another fact im proving to you.
Posted by: FullSize_only

You complained about the 2016 TFLT comparison being unfair, even though the Ford had a 600 pound weight advantage and 3.55's while the Chevy had 3.42's, so then you cherry picked a comparison where the 5.0 had the huge weight advantage, axle ratio advantage, and transmission advantage? The desperation is strong with you.

@ tnt

In the comparisons where the 6.2L beats the 3.5L in similarly equipped trucks (both same drive, both best trans offered and both best gear offred) im alright with the 6.2 being called the better performer. But just like you use the ike gauntlet often to cite facts then its a fact that the 3.5L beat the 6.2L, right? The ike's elevation is what it is or should the ike have been held at sea level so the 6.2 dosent lose??

Of course you dont care when gm results look skewed but you would be quick to call foul if it was 2 diffrent power level Ford motors with the same results and they were both better than gm. 500lbs difference?? The 4wd vs 4wd diffrence is actually around 350lbs, just facts:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-chevrolet-silverado-1500-z71-53l-8-speed-automatic-test-review

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-f-150-lariat-supercrew-50l-4x4-test-review

Glad your dad's F-150 has been good to him too, reliability wise i have owned both Gm and Ford and have had the same good service from both. But i am also mechanically inclined and dont neglect my vehicles.

@ full size

Again those aren't head to head comparison. The ford won 0-60. Greta job. I never said I didn't like the 5.0L. I'm not so naïve unlike u says the 5.3L is junk.....its a great motor. 10 times better than that 5.4L u own.

I am not an ecojunk person. Never will be. Its a lie that has many ford guys brains washed. Ford clearly shows that that can make a V8 to compete but they are so in deep with this eco garbage its pathetic

U have to see that through comparisons the 5.3L is a stellar engine. If u dont see that.....well I'm sorry and go take a ride in that 5.4L. Its gutless and u could probably jump out of your truck and run faster than that slow turd. U know I'm right... Even my father says it is.

@2.7ecoboost

Your commentary rarely adds anything of value to this site, and today's example is no exception. Please put a muzzle on it.

Posted by: papajim | Aug 25, 2018 7:02:32 AM

@ ecobust rust

Whatever makes u feel better man. You win in the in the mountains, bc of altitude.... Big Whoopi! I live where 70% of population live at or below sea level.

Keep drinking your kool aide. Its an absolute gimmick and u got suckered into it. I'll start a pole and more GUYS will choose my big 6.2L over your little 2.7L.


Posted by: TNTGMC | Aug 25, 2018 7:09:12 AM

@papa,
I didn't mean to upset you, good job looking out for her. Hey look, she "coincidentally" posted 7 minutes after you again.

@TNTGAY,
You can call class leading mpg and acceleration a gimmick because you aren't very smart. You had to pay for a unicorn to get the same performance as I did. I think the world knows you are the sucker! 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, 24mpg hwy. Only one engine can say that!! Class dismissed.

BTW....dont think bc I said my dad said. Its it stone...I'm just saying he owns one just like u and he admits its a gutless wonder ..

But like he says it paid for and he doesnt want to spend $40+k on new truck right now...


@nitro


Not frustrated at all actually, i enjoy keeping you gm boys honest in youre "facts". Oh i understand all the at-their convinience "stuff" they point out. But when pressed to technically explain how gm's 6.2 and 5.3 performed the same all you gm experts conviniently leave the answer to that mystery out of your response. I mean common you know all about Fords 4wd system's parasitic losses then surely you can explain the gm discrpancy?? Or are you also going to deflect like all the tnt co-signers up until now have done.

Between what should have been compared 4wd vs 4wd there is a 368lb difference so 600lbs is what 368lbs is in gm talk? To show you who is whining here just asnwer me if the weight of the truck is an option you can choose like you can choose 2wd or 4wd.

The 5.4l? Whats a motor that hasnt been in a F-150 in 8 years have to do with whats being discussed here? Whats that? Thats just what gm guys do bring up irrelevant things to distract? Got ya..... LMFAO!.


Ecoojunk rust

I got a fully loaded SLT premium plus for $12k off. Didnt have to pay for denali package. Yes when I travel down my highway I average 23.8 mpgs. When I travel to my lake house doing 80 my rpms are at 1800 with 8 spd and interstate 29 is relatively flat. I'm not lying. I have to reason to

Your a dumb@$$ that can't get over it BC YOU are the sucker who bought an inferior engine. You lose sucker!

When I travel 80....I average right at 20. 19.8mpgs with regular the one time I tries it to see if it really mattered and then the rest with premium and its 20.1. Be envious

@TNT,

I'll be the first to admit, performance alone doesn't make a truck "better". I'll also be the first to back up my claims with data. I can't prove I got 23.9 mpg just like you can't prove you got 23.8 mpg. I did post very contradicting evidence to the contrary of your claim however from GM owners. Yes, I have seen EcoBoost (mainly 3.5) complain about not getting advertised mpg. The 2.7 has earned mainly praise from it's owners in performance, reliability and mpg. I am on the Ford forums, most people love it. You can stoop to your childish name calling, I'm done getting baited in. The difference between you and I is, I give credit to other brands. I've owned other brands. I even admitted the 6.2 is a very good engine (from everything I've read). You are the one who post under a GMSRGREAT username, that shows your biased b.s. right there.

https://www.f150forum.com/f2/2-7-ecoboost-mpg-reliability-379877/

Back to the subject......
The 4x2 performance trucks were a neat market. I'd love to see it return from an enthusiast perspective. Like the $50k-$70k performance 4x4 market, it's not for me, but I like the choice's for those who are willing to pay that much.

@casual fool

You need re-read my posts but maybe this time with your glasses on. I first said that the chevy was a 2wd 8-speed with 3.73 gear (the specs that TFL stated) and in comparison to a 4wd 6-speed with 3.55 gears then yeah its not apples to apples. Or would you call that apples to apples if the brands were reversed? Now its been clarified that the chevy was in fact 3.42 ok now the gears are the best option offered by both brands but who compares 2wd with 4wd common you guys would be the first whiners if it was a 2wd Ford beating a 4wd gm. As for the trans speeds if you accept a 8-speed gm vs a 6-speed Ford as being fair then why would you say i cherry pick a 10-speed Ford vs a 8-speed gm and call it unfair?? Weight advantage? its not 600 (368lbs between both being 4wd) and the weight is not an option its a product of Fords design. Or do you gm shills complain that the Superduty is at a disadvantage against gm since it is a heavier truck??

@tnt

I never said a 5.3 is a junk motor, (i have owned one before) calling motors junk is what you do even though you have never owned them. What i did say is that the Coyote is a better performing motor and that in 2014-2018 gm trucks a 5.3l is a terrible performer that gets beaten by a F150 5.0L.

My F-150 has a 4.6L 3v engine since you are interested in knowing what i own. It is an awesome small V8 motor that in my ext cab 5.5ft bed truck is no slouch by any means.

What your dad owns or dosent own is alright with me no need to explain his truck situation to me.

@ ecobust and full size

I give total credit to other brands. Just stop!

I love the new Nissan Titan. I think the ram is a good truck. The only truck I can't stand is the power joke bc its just that. Its hyped up by Ford by best in class.... Blah blah blah, and yet it gets outperformed

I like the 5.0L in ford, but I can't stand ecobusts. Have 3 in the family and all of them under achieve for best in class...blah, blah, blah...

Thats why I can't stand Ford! They need to not worry about being best in class and focus like GM amd Ram do on the ride, comfort, confidence when towing, FE, and performance all in one

To say I bash all is a joke. I give credit where its due

Now I'm done explaining myself. I get those numbers if u done believe I could care less. I get it out of a 420 hp monster!

I also have a 98 with 293k on it now and it averages 16 still. I drive that back and forth to work bc people these days dont treat other peoples vehicles with respect. Last black 17 had ,3 doors dings in it first year.....upsetts me!

Have a great Saturday!

@ ecobust

To say I bash all is a joke.

Posted by: TNTGMC | Aug 25, 2018 2:38:55 PM

Sums it up.

man u called my user name GAY and spoke about my wife!! Your lucky I dont know u!!!

Come on don't be a hypocrite!

I'l

I can't wait till ford scraps the 5.0L and puts that junk gerbil engine in and then u guys will really whine! Just wait bc its gonna happen!

Now Nitro..... U and your little hood winks can start defending...


Posted by: TNTGMC | Aug 14, 2018 5:23:12 PM

Bash.

YUCK! Way to over priced for a Ford Taurus...I mean Rangerous!

Posted by: TNTGMC | Aug 14, 2018 12:19:32 PM

Bash

Nuff said.

man u called my user name GAY and spoke about my wife!! Your lucky I dont know u!!!

Come on don't be a hypocrite!

I'l


Posted by: TNTGMC | Aug 25, 2018 2:58:51 PM

Now you're getting tough on the internet? LOL! You really are the clown of clowns. I'd love for you to prove you really have a 6.2 GM truck. You must be a member on a GM forum that you can prove yourself?

"I like the 5.0L in ford, but I can't stand ecobusts" "I can't wait till ford scraps the 5.0L and puts that junk gerbil engine"

Posted by: TNTGMC | Aug 14, 2018 5:23:12 PM

Who are you calling a hypocrite?

"I like the 5.0L in ford, but I can't stand ecobusts" "I can't wait till ford scraps the 5.0L and puts that junk gerbil engine"

Posted by: TNTGMC | Aug 14, 2018 5:23:12 PM

Who are you calling a hypocrite?

In was talking about the mustang and the 5.0L in that..
Ford will out an ecoboost in it and the guys will wine....nothing was about the truck.....way to copy and paste what YOU want to see/say......man your a peach

U just don't give up.... You are a complete clown with nothing to do with your life.

I dont need to act tough, I was just stating don't ever mention my wife.

I'm done debating with you bc your nonsense is putting u up there with Frank.....

BTW...I have a 6.2L and u keep mentioning over and over....in my field. Thats a tall tell sign your jealous!!!!

BTW... This is my truck and boat u clown. First weekend in May whenI was taking up to lake house....I dont LIE!!? All facts

I have a 6.2L in it. Wife's silver terrain in back ground

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qqLptSefCqu1EeiCA

BTW... This is my truck and boat u clown. First weekend in May whenI was taking up to lake house....I dont LIE!!? All facts

I have a 6.2L in it. Wife's silver terrain in back ground

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qqLptSefCqu1EeiCA


Posted by: TNTGMC | Aug 25, 2018 3:38:24 PM

That's my neighbors truck! You gotta do a better search than that!! You are out of control! You and your negativity!! And your Ford jealous hatred!! And your constant lies and attacks!! Just stop!! No wonder your wife wants out of that trailer park....geez dude.

Or would you call that apples to apples if the brands were reversed? Now its been clarified that the chevy was in fact 3.42 ok now the gears are the best option offered by both brands but who compares 2wd with 4wd common you guys would be the first whiners if it was a 2wd Ford beating a 4wd gm. As for the trans speeds if you accept a 8-speed gm vs a 6-speed Ford as being fair then why would you say i cherry pick a 10-speed Ford vs a 8-speed gm and call it unfair?? Weight advantage? its not 600 (368lbs between both being 4wd) and the weight is not an option its a product of Fords design. Or do you gm shills complain that the Superduty is at a disadvantage against gm since it is a heavier truck??

Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 25, 2018 12:55:25 PM

The conversation was on the comparison of ENGINES, not a comparison of the TRUCK as a whole. When someone comments in here that the 5.3 is "underwhelming", "gutless", "a dog", it's clearly out of ignorance 5o make those claims. The weight, especially when there's a significant difference, should be taken into consideration when comparing the ENGINES themselves. If a 2016 F-150 5.0 weighed 5800 lbs and the Chevy 5.3 truck weighed 5,000 pounds and the 5.3 was faster up the hill, you would defend calling the 5.3 is gutless by blaming the outcome on the Chevy's weight advantage. The same goes the other way. 500 to 600 lbs is a significant difference that can't be ignored. The 2016 Silverado 5.3 that TFLT tested was the exact same truck that this website usee in the 2016 Texas Truck Showdown. TFLT didn't weigh the trucks, but PickupTrucks.com did, providing window stickers and complete specs for every truck. The Silverado weighed 500 lbs more than the 2016 F-150 that they tested. That F-150 had a 3.5 Ecoboost, an engine that weighs more than a comparable 5.0 version. The fact that the 5.3 moved a heavy load up Ike 4 seconds faster than the lighter 5.0 truck demonstrates that you're talking out of your a55 by saying the 5.3 is gutless, underwhelming, a dog, etc. The way some of you guys talk, the Chevy with the 5.3 should have taken 10 minutes to pull the same load as the 5.0.

And while the difference in weight between the 3500HD and F-350 is relatively small, if we were discussing performance of the TRUCK as a whole and not just the ENGINE, then weight should not be considered.

@ ecobust

Lmfao

Jealousy, jealousy, haha....

This thread is about performance. Ford defined performance with the 2.7 Ecoboost. When a 2.7 is faster thru the quarter mile than 5.7 or 6.2 that is performance.

@ just the truth

Only in altitude

Everywhere else the 6.2L by GM is faster.

2014-2018 gm trucks a 5.3l is a terrible performer that gets beaten by a F150 5.0L.

My F-150 has a 4.6L 3v engine since you are interested in knowing what i own. It is an awesome small V8 motor that in my ext cab 5.5ft bed truck is no slouch by any means.

Posted by: FullSize_only | Aug 25, 2018 12:55:25 PM

Wow, so according to you, the truly gutless 4.6 3-valve is "awesome" but the much, much more powerful 5.3 is "terrible"? The 4.6 (2 valve and 3 valve) 12th gens couldn't get out of their own way! I'm a Dodge guy and even I know better than to call the gutless 4.6 "awesome". The Coyote 5.0 is an awesome engine. Especially after they worked out the problems they had with the first couple years of the engine. I don't get why you insist on ripping on the 5.3. It's a beast for how efficient and reliable it is. IFor the guys lucky enough to have E85 around the engine is straight up a sleeper, making 416 lb-ft and 380 HP. The pre-2018 5.0 and 5.3 are extremely close in power. Their 0-60 times and 1/4-mile times were very close. That changed for 2018 with the newest 5.0, but between 2015 and 2017, the two were within 2/10ths in 0-60 and 1/4-mile times.

Let's say that the tiny advantage of the 8-speed/2WD with the Silverado and the weight advantage of the lighter aluminum F-150 5.0.

PUT 2015 Light-Duty V-8 Challenge
2015 F-150 5.0 w/ 3.55 & 6-speed:
0-60 empty: 6.78 sec
0-60 with 1,240 lb: 8.08 sec

1/4-mile empty: 15.29@93.8 MPH
1/4-mile with 1,240 lb: 16.35@88.3 MPH


PUT 2016 Texas Truck Showdown
2016 Silverado 5.3 w/ 3.42's & 8-speed:
0-60 empty: 7.03 sec
0-60 with 1,750 lb: 8.29 sec

1/4-mile empty: 15.30@93.2 MPH
1/4-mile with 1,750 lb: 16.30@ 87.4 MPH


So they accelerate in similar times. The 5.3 actually did awesome considering it's moving a heavier truck and had an extra 500 lbs in the bed.

Seeing those numbers, I watched both 2016 Ike Gauntlet videos. The F-150 was in 2nd gear, holding 60 MPH almost the entire time. The Silverado held 60 MPH in 3rd gear at 4500 RPM almost the entire time. So let's look at the gearing:

6R80+3.55's+2nd gear= 8.31 final drive
8L90+3.42's+3rd gear= 7.11 final drive

So the majority of time, the 5.0 had a big weight advantage, gearing advantage, and a 30 horsepower advantage on paper. The 5.3 had a slight advantage due to being 2WD, but the truck weighed much more and the truck had a slight disadvantage since it was in 3rd almost the whole time.

So... the 5.3 terrible? F**k no.

This thread is about performance. Ford defined performance with the 2.7 Ecoboost. When a 2.7 is faster thru the quarter mile than 5.7 or 6.2 that is performance.
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Why is the 2.7EB so limited when it comes to getting it in a decent trim with 3.73's. If I want a Lariat with the 2.7EB, Ford won't allow you to chose the payload package and you're limited to 7,600 lbs in conventional towing. What good is all that power if Ford makes you choose the trim filled with ugly, cheap hard plastics in order to tow more 7,600 lbs? Heck, even the Chevy Colorado is rated to tow 7,700 lbs when properly equipped. I guessif you don't plan on using the truck as a truck and you only want to race cars with it, the 2.7 is decent for a lease truck. Otherwise, it's a pointless engine if you want an interior that doesn't look like a fleet truck.


Oh yeah, did Ford fix all the problems on the 2.7EB for 2018?... cracked heads, cracked exhaust valves, warped oil pans, blown turbos, and worn valve guides fixed?

Street racing "boys" toys are a thing of the past, maybe the future might bring back some 2WD pickups.

People now want lift, big rubber, bars, lights, and shiny chrome,etc. They don't want a boy racer …………. they want to believe they are truckers as bad as they come.

If you want a fast vehicle buy a WRX, Kia Stinger, etc ….. these will out handle a pickup. I would of used Mustang, but I went for a drive in one a week ago and it has quite a poor interior.

Did you ever drive a Ford 150 Lightning back in the mid 1990s? Not a boy racer. Ten times more cool factor than a Mustang.

The Lightning is what a street-racer pickup CAN be.



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