Tapping out! No more under-powered Bison articles, please.

seeing that the bison has more HP than a Ranger. I dont see how its underpowered?

Thus gets my juices flowing.

While it is true the Colorado bison has more HP 308 VS 275 , it has significantly less torque than the RANGER. 275 VS 310. For the intended purpose the Ranger has great advantage over the bison.

@ blows chunks.

Actually the ranger doesnt have a diesel. So ZR2 has advantage. Thanks. Good day. And we shall see which turbo 4 or V6 wins in a comparison.

The Ranger with the 2.3 Ecoboost will likely be the fastest mid-sized truck.

The Ranger will be the fastest to the junkyard, no doubt.

The 2.8 Duramax is a perfect crawler and backwoods motor.

G.M. is the only co. that has competition in this truck segment. I do however think this is a more rugged off roader than the TRD from Toyota.

GM's RRV.

Ah, yes by all means lets move the goal post , lol.
No the Ranger at introduction does not have a diesel.
Interesting that when the torque number is presented, you go to diesel. Does the bison have a diesel? The HP number you were positive on is for gasoline. I have not looked, so I ask does the ZR2 have diesel as option? If so good, the torque on that motor is good, however down on HP. Before you get ahead of yourself I do understand diesels, and have experience with them in a variety of vehicle classes and brands. I am not bashing the Bison as it is not available in the hands of consumers, nor is the Ranger. Really a bit foolish to bash what is not yet being actually owned and driven. I suppose if I were GM or a fan I would have some anxiety, actually a lot of anxiety. The last match up between GM and Ford was a complete walloping of GM by Ford. The production numbers and the % of still on the road are facts.
I think this will be a great competition this go around. GM has a better product this time.
I personally do not think there will be a Ranger Raptor in the US or at least for sometime. This is about marketing, the same reason there is not a ZR2 in full size GM. The trail Boss is not the same or equivalent - you don’t do duplicate models. GM doesn’t and neither does Ford. Let me save some of you some wasted time, FX4 is not a model, it is an option in some models and a trim in others, but not a truly distinct model.
There are some things I like abound the Bison, namely the bash bars. I had them full perimeter on a former power line pickutruck, saved a lot of damage from messing around in th woods.

Do Bisons make you horny?

The last match up between GM and Ford was a complete walloping of GM by Ford.

Posted by: GM Blows Chunks | Oct 18, 2018 9:13:00 PM

Please give specifics about this match-up you speak of.

The match up of course was Ford Ranger and GM S 10 models.
I was not referring to the current trouncing of GM full size by Ford F Series.

"While it is true the Colorado bison has more HP 308 VS 275 , it has significantly less torque than the RANGER. 275 VS 310. For the intended purpose the Ranger has great advantage over the bison." ---- Posted by: GM Blows Chunks

--- I disagree. Don't get me wrong; torque is great. But let me ask you this: If the Ford's turbo blows up; how much horsepower is left to get that heavy truck and load to the shop? Will it be able to tow its trailer to a campground or lot so that the truck can be taken to the shop? And even if the turbo doesn't blow, what happens to fuel mileage when towing?

My biggest complaints about turbos isn't about power; in a car or unloaded truck a turbo four will certainly achieve better fuel mileage than a six or eight on suburban streets. But that turbo runs almost full time at highway speeds and works even harder when loaded/towing... even if not at its GCWR while towing. Fuel mileage goes to crap in a handbasket under load. A non-turbo engine offers less risk of catastrophic failure when operating near its limits, even if its average fuel economy is slightly less. All you have to do is watch the many YouTube videos of turbos blowing on cars, trucks and trains.

@ GM Blows

Your talking all this smack on a truck that isn't even released yet. Keep hoping buddy. Bc right now there is a Colorado and a Canyon. And yes, if you read for comprehension their is a diesel available in both ZR2 and Bison

Good day to you!

Bison? Why not whale or water buffalo. Who comes up with these names.

Love the people praising the ranger when it won't even be released in the u.s. Haha

Tapping out! No more under-powered Bison articles, please.

Posted by: redbloodedxy | Oct 18, 2018 3:20:17 PM

Be awesome if A.E.V offered a V8 swap like the 6.4 5.7 Hemi's for Jeeps.

@ TNT
Really? What smack?
Please point it out.

I was not referring to the current trouncing of GM full size by Ford F Series.

Posted by: GM Blows Chunks | Oct 19, 2018 6:13:04 AM

How is Ford trouncing GM when GM sells more trucks. You logic makes no sense.

@ GM Blows

First off, your praising a Ranger that isn't released yet. Claiming it already superior over the GM twins, bc it has more TQ? Really, no one has driven it yet! '

Second, if you would read for comprehension, it stated right in article that is comes with a V6 or diesel. The Bison is a ZR2 with added off road components! So yes, we can "kinda" hypothesis what the Bison's road manners will be. We can't do that with the Ranger!

Third, again, GM guys have anxiety?? Why, bc Ford offers ONLY a turbo 4 cylinder against a proven 3.6L V6 or Duramax diesel.....ahhh ok??

Fourth, your so called match up where ford won a comparison was over 15 years ago when GM had the S-10...so go ahead brag about that one fella. i want to see article also, love looking at old school comparisons.

So yes, that's a little smack you were laying on. If I offended you, it wasn't an intent, I was simply pointing out that a Ranger isn't out yet, and the competing Raptor is over 2 years out, so GM doesn't have anything to worry about!!!

Have a great day!

Speaking of reading for comprehension, did you actually read what I wrote.
I said I had not looked to see if diesel was option, i said if good, also said good motor. I also said hard to bash what is not out yet( that goes for both mfg's). As for the Ranger vs S10- seriously, were you asleep all through that era. The production numbers tell that story well enough. I do not belive there will be a US Ranger Raptor. That model exists for markets that do not have F 150 (There are bound to be some exceptions, I have not recently done global web sites search).

More Bison articles please. They get my juices flowing.

@ GM blows

Oh I read what you wrote. You asked does it have a diesel option? So you obviously didn't read the articles because it clearly says it will! That's my point!! You didn't read the articles, you just commented! Great job!

As for your sales of Rangers over S-10. Did Ford have a ZR2 fighter when S-10 was around...NOPE. And I don't know sales numbers of those, But I owned a 2002 ZR2 and its 4.3L was heads and shoulders above the 3.0L and 4.0L from Ford. Buddy had a Ranger and it couldn't do half the off roading my ZR2 could do. But Ford didn't have anything back then....oh wait they had the Ford Ranger Splash...LMFAO!

And yes, Ford will offer a Ranger Raptor, its just a few years off. There are multiple articles on this and spy shots of it in action. But when???? We don't know!

@ GM blows

Ill do the research for you!

http://testdrivejunkie.com/1998-chevrolet-s-10-vs-gmc-sonoma-vs-ford-ranger-comparison-test-drive/

Looks like S10 put beat down on the Ranger!

@ GM blows

Ill do the research for you!

http://testdrivejunkie.com/1998-chevrolet-s-10-vs-gmc-sonoma-vs-ford-ranger-comparison-test-drive/

Looks like S10 put beat down on the Ranger!

Actually it was Ford who gave s10/s15 the beat down in sales, and that my data driven friend is what counts. Have a great day🙂

@ GM blows

So when GM sells more trucks....whats your excuse then?? Thought So!!

BTW..I don't care about total sales..I care about overall performance, reliability, durability, looks, comfort.

Which GM trucks do that quite a bit!! "class leading" my @$$!!

Oh I will have a great day!

You as well, even though we can clearly see you didn't read the articles!! LMFAO

I hate that GM nerfed the concept into this..

Would have liked to have seen this with bigger tires like the concept along with the more aggressive front bumper, and the integrated LED lighting...

Might just be better to buy a stock ZR2 and add the stuff directly from AEV.

I hate that GM nerfed the concept into this..

Would have liked to have seen this with bigger tires like the concept along with the more aggressive front bumper, and the integrated LED lighting...

Might just be better to buy a stock ZR2 and add the stuff directly from AEV.
Posted by: Ex | Oct 19, 2018 3:56:07 PM

BDS Suspension has a new lift designed specifically for the ZR2 that allows you to use the DSSV shocks and it fits 35" tires. Bolt it onto the Bison and you have the truck they showed at SEMA. BDS lifts are covered by a lifetime warranty.

and Ford just announced that they will not bring the Ranger Raptor to the North American Continet...

I would like the front bumper from the bison on my ZR2

@GMS

“ I was not referring to the current trouncing of GM full size by Ford F Series
Posted by: GM Blows Chunks | Oct 19, 2018 6:13:04 AM

How is Ford trouncing GM when GM sells more trucks. You logic makes no sense.“

Your response make no sense. Please re read the above sentence.
I said” Full size Trucks”. Geezzz

@ TNT

I do not make excuses. It is pretty clear that GM is currently selling more tucks. I did not state or imply otherwise. So your charge is without merit.
As to your belief of overall performance,reliability ,durability,looks, comfort. You are entitled to your opinion. Others have a different opinion. Those opinions translate into sales. While you may not care about sales they are the validation of opinion. Now this may lead you believe that is why GM has a lead in overall truck sales. It is not, GM does not compete with Ford or Ram for mid size sales. GM is in competition with Toyota and Nissan and Honda in that descending order. I personally think GM made a good decision to get back in the smaller truck with a better product than the last. When Ford is in this arena then the real competition begins.
There are some that attribute Ford F Series success to “Marketing Magic “, perhaps the Problem for GM is poor marketing that focuses on negative ads and touting “awards” that most people have not heard of or care about.
If you have great product , then tell what is so good about your product.
Again this is hard to argue, people do not buy a poor product over and over again. Like it or not Ford has an incredible retention and conquest rate.
I said in my earlier post that I did not see that Bison had diesel option I did also say that it is a good motor. You seemed to glossed over that, implying that I did not read the article. You seemed to have taken my responding to your “Have a nice day” with the same very poorly. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.

@ gm blows

Again, you asked a question about the diesel and if you would have read the articles, its right in there! So no, you didn't read the article s.

And you state that I glossing over. I give u a FACT video evidence that the S10 beat your ranger in a comparison, yet you said the ranger was superior? Only in sales was it superior. Like I said GM seems to WIN comparisons, which is more important to me! Shows which truck is superior. But you go with your Ford propaganda that a lot of you guys believe in!

I did have a great day. Hopefully u did as well.

@TNTGMC: "And you state that I glossing over. I give u a FACT video evidence that the S10 beat your ranger in a comparison, yet you said the ranger was superior? Only in sales was it superior. Like I said GM seems to WIN comparisons, which is more important to me! Shows which truck is superior. But you go with your Ford propaganda that a lot of you guys believe in!"

--- I'm not actively refuting your argument. In fact, if you know anything about me you will know I'm not happy with the Ford products I have owned. I do agree that in so many ways, Ford's products have fallen short of their competition in face-to-face demonstrations. That said, Fords tend to offer more of what people want, despite their other drawbacks and this is why I believe Ford does so much better in sales.

Yes, I've owned three different Ford products and they've all had their mechanical drawbacks... Honestly, I was highly disappointed by the lack of power and temperature sensitivity of the engine in my '97 Ford Ranger, though I loved so many other things about it. I put off my concern about the lack of power originally due to the previous owner's driving style and the fact that it had been garaged for most of its 18 years before I inherited it. Over the course of three years, that performance did improve... even to where I began to enjoy it... as long as temperatures remained below 90°F. Once the temps rose above 90°, it simply lost about 25% of its horsepower. Replacing the mechanical fan with an electric helped noticeably, but not enough to completely eliminate the temperature sensitivity.

My previous Ford, a '90 F-150 XLT Lariat was also decent, though plagued with annoying issues, including one that made no sense as it was effectively impossible to reverse the temperature sensor leads yet as the engine warmed up, the temperature gauge would go down... not up. Again, why? And I won't even talk about the Ford before that outside of the fact that it got to the point that it was costing me half my paycheck every month just to keep it running. Still, even that was a reasonably comfortable car for its age, and well cared for outside of the mechanical problems.

So yes, for some people, Ford offers--or did offer--what they wanted in looks, performance or convenience. But I've never known any that didn't complain about minor issues before the first year was up and it seems almost nobody owns their new-purchased Ford more than about 5 years each.

Had an awesome day.
Every day is awesome while driving my Ford Built Tough Pickup Truck. 😆👍

"Every day is awesome while driving my Ford Built Tough Pickup Truck. 😆👍" ---- Posted by: GM Blows Chunks

And exactly how old is that truck and how long have you owned it?

Had an awesome day.
Every day is awesome while driving my Ford Built Tough Pickup Truck.

Posted by: GM Blows Chunks
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Yeah I imagine you get tired pushing it, so it must be nice when every so often it works.

Is that Ford Built Tough pickup of yours made with Military Grade Aluminum? If so I guess it is easier to push now.