Highly disappointing, hmm would I rather have a proven Ford ecoboost 2.7 V6 with considerably more power and 3 mpg better highway fuel economy, or would I rather have this new 4 cylinder?

Hahaha!!! Huge GM fail. That new truck as a whole is a disappointment.

some of the usual clowns here expected GM to invent the next big thing. Evidently.

The truck isn't even in showrooms yet and some joker calls it a big FAIL. Huh? Do a little reading boys.

The new GM engine intends to eventually replace the big V6 in pickups with a sophisticated and powerful sub-three liter engine. For anybody hoping for FE there's your cupcake! It has over 300 HP and over 300 torque, so it should be suitable for daily use, and it's a turbo so it should be happy pulling a load as well.

Because it's not a six, it should be very smooth. Because it has a 180 degree crank the exhaust should sound very racy, unlike the competition's truck that needs an audio speaker to cover the sound of the sewing machine under its hood.

Coupled to a modern automatic trans it should be a solid daily driver, with some HD pretensions

What's not to like?

This engine is impressive. It just does not belong in a fullsize. It would be better suited in the twins. I wish Toyota would learn a thing or two from these other manufacturers going FI.

This is GM, they are not out be this "class leading" nonsense. Their trucks actually hit or exceed EPA fuel economy numbers. Unlike "most" ecoboost which never meet or hit those standards.

Notice how I said MOST! There are some ecoboosts owners out there who will cry foul, but in general, go to all the Ford forums, and I also have a good friend who is a lead Ford mechanic and MOST don't get the EPA fuel economy they claim.

Now lets see a non biased comparison!

Work truck--4.3L and 5.3L with 6 speed against competition

Entry/mid level---2.7L with 10 spd and 5.3L with 8 spd against competiton

Luxury level--3.0L diesel and 6.2L with 10 spd against competition.

I'd say thats a pretty good engine lineup and great choices for everyone.

BTW....I do wish they would offer the 6.2L at lower trims but for around $40K you can find many SLT and LTZ trucks with 6.2L in them.

I'll take a straight, in-line over a V anyday.

What a joke this Silverado is.

I agree.

don't forget: Your mileage may vary

This engine is very likely the foundation upon which GM will modernize their truck engines. This is likely why GM did basically nothing with their V8 engines as they must be investing R&D money in small displacement turbo engines.

don't forget: GMs a joke

don't forget: papajim logic

6 cyl turbo: bad, needs more power
4 cyl turbo: great, less power!

4 cyl turbo mid-size: bad, needs more power
4 cyl turbo full-size: great, less power and more weight!

don't forget: papajim logic

6 cyl turbo: bad, needs more power
4 cyl turbo: great, less power!

4 cyl turbo mid-size: bad, needs more power
4 cyl turbo full-size: great, less power and more weight!

Posted by: Old Chevy Buyer | Oct 10, 2018 9:47:11 AM

Don't forget papajim logic =liberal logic, Nancy Pelosi style

we just received a phone call from the sheep station---aren't you guys supposed to be back at work yet? Those sheep are hungry

Downsize engines = downsize durabiliy

Just remember: Your durability may vary

Don't care the Bollinger B2 will be available in 2020 with a 5000Lb payload with hydro pneumatic self levelling suspension that costs less to run per mile than 21mpg. Be more efficient, wont pollute, has lower center of gravity with 15 to 20 inches of ground clearance and way more powerful from 0 rpm with no gear changes or elevation problems with lost air that an engine needs. No gas fill ups, charge at home 99% of the time and no coolant or oil changes. This is just another dinosaur, same old tool and dies from 100 years ago.

Great looking truck. Once a prospective buyer drives one of these new units, they will be hooked. GM has always been the leader on improving the overall truck driving experience by improving steering feel and ride quality. Sounds like they just moved the goal posts again and now FORD is really left behind and all they can see is RAM and Silverado's taillights. Good bye Ford!!!

Papajim:

Go buy a box of tissues. I actually have done a good amount of research on this new truck and I keep getting the same answer. It is a disappointment.

The interior is typical GM boring
The styling is cartoonish and bloated
The truck feels like it's a 10 y/o design

The best comparison you need to look at is edmunds.com 2019 half ton comparison. The Chevy was the oldest-appearing design of the bunch.

I'm not on here to win over your friendship. I'm only sharing my intelligence. Don't be offended by it--instead, run with it. Be the ball, papajim.

same old tool and dies from 100 years ago.
Posted by: Thomas | Oct 10, 2018

Your comment reveals that you have a sub 100 IQ

America, Korea and parts of Europe have a highly technical auto industry that's every bit as advanced as modern aerospace and medical. Very advanced.

100 year old tool/die tech? Yeah right.

Edmunds?

Are you kidding? I thought you said you did "research" Don't make me laugh.

Have you driven one yet? That's research. Reading something off of a website is a joke. At least when I read something at PUTC I'm getting some content from guys who love pickups.

Edmunds? Seriously. Why didn't you check out Cosmo or Vogue magazine while you're at it.

On second thought, you probably did.

@ Papajim

LMFAO...that was funny!! Edmund's review was a biased joke!

The writers at Edmunds, Car/Driver, Motor Trend were writing stuff about compact cars yesterday; tomorrow they'll be writing about air pollution. Next week they'll be at a conference about global warming. After that it's electric bicycles.

Pickups?

Ok Thomas now drive it across country pulling a huge trailers. Drive 200 miles, charge 2 hours, drive 200 miles charge 2 hours, drive 200 miles charge two hours. Face it electrics are still a novelty item. Meanwhile those of us who need to get real work done don't have time to be fn around, pull up to the pump, fill up the tank and get a slurpee and ten minutes later back on the road for another non-stop 8 hours and 700 miles depending on traffic. Don't get me wrong, I believe electrics are the absolute future and could be the change our planet needs to find our way out of the fossil fuel rabbit hole that is destroying us.

IS THIS THE ENGINE THAT BELONGS TO A HONDA OR TOYOTA BECAUSE IF IT IS GARBAGE MOTORS IS DOOMED, OR I SHOULD SAY THE MIGHTY WEEDEATER ENGINE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Edmunds?

Are you kidding? I thought you said you did "research" Don't make me laugh.

Have you driven one yet? That's research. Reading something off of a website is a joke. At least when I read something at PUTC I'm getting some content from guys who love pickups.

Edmunds? Seriously. Why didn't you check out Cosmo or Vogue magazine while you're at it.

On second thought, you probably did.

Posted by: papajim | Oct 10, 2018 10:49:08 AM

listen to yourself Nancy Pelosi, you've gone mad excuses, excuses,

@papajim
If you were "preaching" about me in the other articles, I have never stated what to own or operate as a vehicle.

You are taking information out of context again of what I say.

What I've been saying WILL occur. I've been crystal balling the future for you guys. It seems I'm quite accurate. Obviously, you guys are fearful of the future. That's the problem with Fox and Friend types like yourself, very simplistic.

Guys right now are complaining about the cost of injectors and the cost of newer pickups coming out etc. All I can say is I told you so, and prices will still go higher and higher. Welcome to reality, not many like it, but that's the way life is.

I don't know if a VW Beetle would get the same fuel economy I get at 85mph, can they do 85mph? And trains are scarce, you obviously are a city boy. Speed limits up here are getting dropped again and I have driven vehicles at well over 200kph.

When properties (farms) are as big as countries there ain't too many driveways and side streets to worry about.

So read my complete story I've put forward. Since coming onto PUTC Tom Terrific. My story is unfolding quite accurately. You Tom Terrrific are more worried about your own insignificant perception on what you think others think of you. Small minded and selfish?

You live in the past with the other hicks on this site, its the future you should look to. If you had done that you maybe would have gotten yourself an education.

I have nothing against any engine or vehicle style. But you are the guys who are trying to be competitive.

Why? Because you are scared. To be honest there is nothing wrong with midsizers either. And NO ONE has told you what to buy. Its your Fox and Friends interpretation that is screwing you up.

Also, remember if you want credence, earn it, mate. Its not hard, just stop writing crap and talking about what you have little or no knowledge of. Listen and learn.

In closing, rmember I told you this site is private and if the owners want me off I would be off by now.

on paper this little engine definitely sounds underwhelming. Will be interesting to see it go toe-to-toe with a 2.7EB and an eTorque Pentastar.
Since they're packaging the engine compartment for an I6 engine as well, there would be room to couple this engine to an electric drive motor in the front of the transmission, even just a 48V mild/assist unit.

This is a complex and high tech engine. With this engine GM truck engines enter the 21st century.

Papajim:

Boom!

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/confirmed-2019-chevrolet-silverado-gets-optional-turbocharged-four-cylinder-engine?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social-media&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD

Caranddriver is a foremost GM kiss@ss [in case you are still dumbfounded].

on paper this little engine definitely sounds underwhelming. Will be interesting to see it go toe-to-toe with a 2.7EB and an eTorque Pentastar.
Since they're packaging the engine compartment for an I6 engine as well, there would be room to couple this engine to an electric drive motor in the front of the transmission, even just a 48V mild/assist unit.

@ redblood

There is no help for you. It hasn't even been tested and your having an aneurism over it. Take a break and chill..

Wait for a comparison test

I agree with TNT and papajim. How many have y'all tested? None? Then shut up and wait!! Ford fools lose again. Hahaha.

I was not very happy when I saw this engine introduced. Then I read about all the positive press of Ford's 2.7. Wards 10 best, press accolades , owners amazed at the performance etc. I then became a little excited. This engine will do everything I need! It'll tow my 6,000lbs camper, haul anything I need to haul. I was convinced that this thing would have game changing fuel economy. It would re write the mpg rules for the class.......Now you say what???? Not only does a 4 cyl full size "sound bad", there is no silver lining or any real benefit to owning this truck. The time tested, proven torquey 4.3 is rated at 18/24 in 2wd and Ford's 2.7 is 20/26 2wd. This is a disaster for GM. Anyone who honestly thinks not is full of you know what!! I have owned GM's for 40 years!! This engine needs to find it's way to the Colorado/Canyon asap and be pulled from the 1/2 ton's, I am actually a little embarrassed for GM. I was honestly hoping something like 20/25 in 4wd. :-(
EDIT: I'm still hoping this is a misprint and those ratings are for 4wd trucks, or just not accurate all together!!

This is a complex and high tech engine. With this engine GM truck engines enter the 21st century.

Posted by: just the truth | Oct 10, 2018 12:00:02 PM

GM has packed this engine with tech. Clearly the most technologically designed engine in the truck space.

^^^^^^^^^^^ could not have said it any better^^^^^^^^^
flat out disappointing numbers and with the ugliest truck in the 1/2 ton segment

Typical diversion tactics:
1) These are the specs, but there are no reviews, so shut up.
2) These the are specs and the reviews, but you haven't driven it yourself, so shut up.
3) These are the specs and the reviews and you have driven it, but have you checked the stock price?

These are good #'s for this new engine. Real world driving well reveal better mileage than stated, unlike all the disappointed eco boost owners who's real world mileage sucks.

The specs on this engine compare well with with Ford's 2.7. The biggest difference appears to be in bore to stroke with GM's being under-square and Ford's square. The under-square should lead to better low rpm torque while giving up some mpg and acceleration.

Wow. Not what I was expecting. The same guys that have argued GM's simplicity and real world performance ( legit ) are now saying that this new high tech 4cyl is worthy because it's high tech and/or 21st Century? C'mon man! I agree with the post above, put this thing in the mid size. It would be a real player there, topping Ford's 2.3 numbers and the 3.6 numbers easily. I'll be very disappointed if the Ranger comes in with say 19/24 or something like that, because I know there's a much stronger engine available that would achieve just as good. You guys trying to spin this know darn well that this 2.7 GM makes zero sense compared to a 4.3 or even 5.3. This engine is like buying an old Jeep Wrangler with the 2.5 4cyl instead of the 4.0. No benefit at all. I'll be shocked if this isn't one and done in the full size and then becomes the bread and butter engine in the mid size. Especially if Ford's 2.3 Ranger is received well by reviewers and customers. No hating here, just making sense...

No they don't

These are good #'s for this new engine. Real world driving well reveal better mileage than stated, unlike all the disappointed eco boost owners who's real world mileage sucks.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Oct 10, 2018 12:57:41 PM

Funny you speak for EcoBoost owners being disappointed. I easily achieve my EPA combined in daily driving. I have bested my hwy mpg each of the last 2 years I have taken the truck down the coast on vacation. Hand calculated, not off my dash ( which is usually within .5-1 mpg).

The writers at Edmunds, Car/Driver, Motor Trend were writing stuff about compact cars yesterday; tomorrow they'll be writing about air pollution. Next week they'll be at a conference about global warming. After that it's electric bicycles.

Pickups?

Posted by: papajim | Oct 10, 2018 10:59:05 AM

I'm not disagreeing with you there. But, people will be quick to play the "Truck of the Year" should a certain brand win. We have a lot of politicians on this site. Look at the crying fould over Edmunds. Would the same thing be said if their brand won? NOPE!!

There are multiple online resources available to you if you are emotionally troubled or are having self destructive thoughts.

If you are having a hard time sleeping, or if you struggle with dark thoughts, or if you are cutting yourself or struggle to maintain focus without intentionally inflicting pain, you should get help.

I'm not a doctor and I don't prescribe medication, but I'm familiar with several products that have shown a high degree success rate helping to eliminate or reduce symptoms. The CDC says that suicide could be reduced by at least fifty percent if people would not be afraid to get help before things get bad.

During the last five years, I recall probably dozens of times where I observed the signs of severe neurosis, including serious social pathologies, including the practice of striking out at others. When these behaviors appear in children aged 5-7 years of age, we can easily observe the expressions as an attempt to gain attention.

When I see these unmistakable behaviors in an adult, accompanied by the repetitive use of alternate IDs to deflect, I'm reminded of young boys---often in state/local custody---and the professionals I've known who said without appropriate medication and treatment the prospects for destructive behavior in the teen years and in adults, it's discouraging and very concerning that you might hurt yourself or others.

Please get help before it's too late. Within a few days of starting treatment you'll be feeling better. I promise.

Funny you speak for EcoBoost owners being disappointed. I easily achieve my EPA combined in daily driving. I have bested my hwy mpg each of the last 2 years I have taken the truck down the coast on vacation. Hand calculated, not off my dash ( which is usually within .5-1 mpg).

@ Ecoboost

So I should stoop down to your level (but I won't) and call you a liar bc there is no way you get that MPGs.. Sound familiar??

I'm glad you get your mileage. There are FAR more people who own ecoboost engines that don't get the claimed EPA fuel economy like my previous post stated.

As for this engine. Lets wait for a comparison, but I from day one have not agreed with it being in a half ton. Especially when the 4.3L and 5.3L get just as good fuel economy and my 6.2L has gotten 22-23 all day long running 70 down interstate to see family members.

This engine might be the next ZR2 motor. Especailly if ford puts 2.7L in their Ranger Raptor

Not a GM fan also not a hater. I think GM did there homework on this engine looking at the specs. This likely shows the direction of GM truck engines.Also this would be GM following Ford's lead.

There are multiple online resources available to you if you are emotionally troubled or are having self destructive thoughts.

If you are having a hard time sleeping, or if you struggle with dark thoughts, or if you are cutting yourself or struggle to maintain focus without intentionally inflicting pain, you should get help.

I'm not a doctor and I don't prescribe medication, but I'm familiar with several products that have shown a high degree success rate helping to eliminate or reduce symptoms. The CDC says that suicide could be reduced by at least fifty percent if people would not be afraid to get help before things get bad.

During the last five years, I recall probably dozens of times where I observed the signs of severe neurosis, including serious social pathologies, including the practice of striking out at others. When these behaviors appear in children aged 5-7 years of age, we can easily observe the expressions as an attempt to gain attention.

When I see these unmistakable behaviors in an adult, accompanied by the repetitive use of alternate IDs to deflect, I'm reminded of young boys---often in state/local custody---and the professionals I've known who said without appropriate medication and treatment the prospects for destructive behavior in the teen years and in adults, it's discouraging and very concerning that you might hurt yourself or others.

Please get help before it's too late. Within a few days of starting treatment you'll be feeling better. I promise.

Posted by: papajim | Oct 10, 2018 1:15:51 PM

pelosijim strikes again, you really had to go out of your way to post this liberal crap that's the best you got HAHAHAHA

his would be GM following Ford's lead.
Posted by: just the truth | Oct 10, 2018

Please cite the number of Ford half ton pickups with a 4 cylinder turbo engine.

I'm waiting.

@Ford Rules

You rose to the bait first---don't feel ashamed. Which part resonated the most for you?