Pickup Truck Sales Breakdown: Third Quarter 2018

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As car sales continue to struggle, pickup truck sales (especially full-size pickups) are doing well. Although analysts continue to predict a sales declines, it's beginning to look possible for 2018 to meet or exceed 2017 totals, with much of the credit falling to pickups and SUVs. Of course, just in case you haven't noticed, fuel prices are climbing and the much of the auto industry is tense about the U.S. imposing tariffs on steel and aluminum from China. And don't get us started on the issues with Canadian automotive production plants.

In the mid-size pickup class, the Toyota Tacoma continues to flex its muscles as it had a strong three-month stretch averaging more than 20,000 units per month. When looking at third quarter results, Toyota sold as many small pickups as the rest of the mid-size class combined. Likewise, when comparing 2017 Q3 numbers with 2018 Q3 numbers, we see that the mid-size class is growing slowly, largely due to the Tacoma's increased production numbers. In 2017, the mid-size class accounted for roughly 16 percent of total Q3 pickup truck sales; for 2018 Q3, mid-sizers accounted for 18.5 percent. We're guessing the mid-size sales numbers will continue to grow in 2019 with the advent of a new 2019 Ford Ranger and in 2020, when we expect a new Nissan Frontier and possibly Hyundai and Volkswagen pickups.

The Ford F-Series continues to dominate the full-size pickup class, leading in both the half-ton and heavy-duty categories. However, when looking at all pickup truck sales, GM's four-truck strategy — mid-size, half ton, three-quarter ton and one ton — across two brands — Chevrolet and GMC — seems to be making the difference. There's no question that Ford's returning Ranger will have an impact on sales, but by how much? It wouldn't surprise us to see something close to or just more than 100,000 units in its first full year, which would give Ford the undisputed lead in pickup sales. Even now, with just three trucks — the F-150, F-250 and F-350 — to GM's eight, Ford is trailing GM by less than 30,000 units. Surely Ford can sell that many Rangers in 2019, even without the possible arrival of the Ranger Raptor.

If the last quarter of 2018 is anything like the last quarter from the last five years, 2018 could be a big year for all the big truckmakers. As it stands through September, pickup sales numbers are up almost 2 percent compared to 2017, and with just a few well-placed incentives or year-end sales events to fan the spread of pickup truck fever, the numbers could go much higher. How long it will last is another question entirely.

Editor's Note: This story was updated Oct. 8, 2018, to correct the full-size pickup third quarter chart.

Cars.com photos by Evan Sears; Christian Lantry; Mark Williams

 

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Comments

To me, the manufacturer that builds and sells the most full-size trucks is the prime mover in the industry....Posted by: redbloodedxy | Oct 9, 2018

Drum roll please: And the main reason that Ford stock is in the crapper is...

that's a question, sir.

"And the main reason that Ford stock is in the crapper is..."

I knew you'd ask that LOL!

Gas is moving up and up here in the NE. By By Gm once it gets high enough. Papa, you must be poor buying stocks in this sector. Did the gov ever pay you back for the GM bankruptcy?

@Nitro

Northeast? Have you ever wondered what would happen if your state and local governments reduced the taxes that people in those states have to pay?

Have you ever educated yourself about the amount of money your state/local governments siphon out of your pockets for gas tax, tobacco tax, booze tax, excise tax? Please don't live in a high tax state and then bit*h about what you pay for gasoline.

@redbloodedxy

Seriously. If Ford is hitting home runs why is their stock at a five year low? It's an important question that you chose not to answer.

"Seriously. If Ford is hitting home runs why is their stock at a five year low? It's an important question that you chose not to answer.

Posted by: papajim | Oct 9, 2018 11:45:28 AM"

So does this mean that when Gm went crawling to the govt for a bailout that at that time gm was making nothing but garbage?? Or are you going to say that: "Well Gm's stock decline to zero was different because (insert excuse here)"

Was Gm hitting any home runs leading up to the embarrassing collapse in 2008/2009??


@papajim

Gm outsold the F-series with the silverado/sierra combined during the bailout years so with that home run how is it possible to fail so miserably and beg the govt for bailout??

@FullSize_only:
I believe the difference between papa's and your argument is Papa's is referring to a current situation (Ford) and you are living in the past. Secondly, GM bankruptcy was brought on due to GMAC involvement in the housing crisis, nothing to do with the quality of their automotive products. Do some research and educate yourself for once.

Ford's stock price is not hurting truck sales. Ford F-series sales came within a couple hundred of GM's full and mid-size sales in the third quarter.


@gms

LOL, of course i would expect a gm fan to portray the fact of gm's meltdown as different than Ford's current situation. But your educated insight actually furthers my point that Ford's truck product quality (i mean it only outsells all other full-size) has nothing to do with Ford's stock price.

How was Gm's bankruptcy "brought" by GMAC?? Sounds like you are getting things mixed up there educated one.....

Ford's stock price is not hurting truck sales. Ford F-series sales came within a couple hundred of GM's full and mid-size sales in the third quarter....Posted by: frank in Florida | Oct 9, 2018

So, in the alternate universe that FIF is from if you win, it really means that you lose.

Frank should be running for Congress or something. The Democrats could use another complete loon on their team.

papajim

you should run for Congress them libtards need another guy like you, one that just don't shut up, kinda reminds me of Nancy Pelosi
every time she opens her mouth i can't believe the useless info that comes out of her mouth, just like your posts useless to the topic at hand

For everyone telling Papajim to stay on topic, please follow your own directions and stay on topic.

Again great job by Ram and Toyota Tacoma for big months. GM sells most trucks Great job.

Buy what you like, deal with it!


Posted by: TNTGMC | Oct 8, 2018 3:16:03 PM

Another TNT post not in blue, followed by a post from GMSRGREAT....... "I never Lie!! I only post under one username!! Ram only won because they paid Edmunds off!! The Silverado will be a game changer!! I never said the Silverado will be a game changer!! I never lie!! You Ford hoodwinks can't handle my truth!! I never lie!! I'm not papajim and GMSRGREAT!! I only post in blue to prove who I am!! I post facts!! You can't handle my truth!!"...........

Seriously. If Ford is hitting home runs why is their stock at a five year low? It's an important question that you chose not to answer.


Posted by: papajim | Oct 9, 2018 11:45:28 AM

This is a truck website. This is an article about truck sales not stock. Please post accordingly weirdo. Here is a link to stock forums. See ya!!

http://socialize.morningstar.com/NewSocialize/forums/default.aspx

There will be a new #2 selling full size truck in 2019. Ram. There will be a new #2 selling midsize truck in 2019. Ranger. Chevy will have 3rd place in both category's!!

If it isn't in blue, well don't know what to tell you, other than stay on topic!

Again, who cares who sells more, blah, blah blah.

There are HUGE brand loyalist out there. Buy what has treated you the best and run with it. I run with GM because for ME they are the best! Plain and simple!

One of the Ford boys is off the rails again today.

If you mention Ford's number-two status they flip right into the next bleepin' world. They just can't take it.

Here's the part I cannot fathom. Why does posting under various names make them feel better?

How was Gm's bankruptcy "brought" by GMAC?? Sounds like you are getting things mixed up there educated one.....

Posted by: FullSize_only | Oct 9, 2018 12:49:08 PM

GMAC was the financial arm GM. However, they did not just finance people to purchase cars. GMAC got caught up with the same sub prime mortgage scam that so many other financial institutions did a decade ago. What did you think happened, genius?

"Seriously. If Ford is hitting home runs why is their stock at a five year low? It's an important question that you chose not to answer.

Posted by: papajim | Oct 9, 2018 11:45:28 AM"

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If you bother to pay a little bit of attention to history, GM bankrupted itself by making a lot of very poor decisions over the course of about 20 years and especially so between 1998-2008. Some of it had to do with their designs, some with attempts to cut costs and some by shutting down brands who had very loyal owners. They also made horrendous mistakes with two very specific vehicles, one a sport pickup originally aimed for the Camaro crowd but priced to the Corvette crown and the other by wasting incredible amounts of R&D money on the Chevy Volt, which after all was said and done used very little of that research in the final product. (For instance, they spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to develop a 3-cylinder engine and ended up installing an off-the-shelf 4-cylinder.) Oh, GM made many expensive mistakes that drove them to where they were in '08.

But Ford didn't do much better; they only started making their mistakes 10 years later and bet their Badge on a private loan vs the others taking the government loan. Now Ford is battling its own later 10 years of mistakes, starting with the idea of making their pickup trucks--- their pure profit machine--- out of expensive aluminum that's eating much of that gross profit the F-series used to make. Dropping the Ranger was another while dropping Mercury and trying to revive Lincoln added to the bill. Mistake on mistake on mistake. Sure, the F-150 is almost as popular as it used to be but the profits just aren't there any more. Not like they used to be, anyway. Going all aluminum on the body was NOT the best way to reduce weight, even though it did help drop about 15% of the older steel-bodied weight.

Is either one really any better than the other? Is Ram any better? Not really. They all serve the same purpose and they are all grossly overpriced. Ford's idea to build to the top 20% and sell to the rest simply isn't working. A lot of the people BUYING those top 20% rigs simply can't afford them while Ford let their automotive line pretty much die on the vine. GM and FCA both are losing their automotive lines too...trying to milk the CUV market for all its worth before it, too, dies. Problem is, at today's pricing, any notable increases in gasoline prices (and by extension, diesel) is pretty much going to destroy the big truck market... the mid-sizers will survive a little longer but the demand is going to reverse... with people begging for smaller vehicles that can pull the cost of driving back down to more comfortable levels.

Keep in mind, even my new Colorado will cost in excess of $40 to fuel at today's prices; my wife's Jeep Renegade only costs $20 to refuel and goes almost as far on a tank of gas.

Note: the above was meant for PapaJim AND Fullsize Only.

And the main reason that Ford stock is in the crapper is...

that's a question, sir.


Posted by: papajim | Oct 9, 2018 9:31:56 AM

Imagine if their F-Series sales were as dismal as Chevy's truck sales? Imagine those stock prices!! YIKES!!

GMAC was the financial arm GM. However, they did not just finance people to purchase cars. GMAC got caught up with the same sub prime mortgage scam that so many other financial institutions did a decade ago. What did you think happened, genius?


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Oct 9, 2018 4:28:42 PM

More fake news and bad info from you. Do you actually fact check anything you post? Never mind....


https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7721675&page=1

Some people need everything spelled out for them. You can connect the dots after you read this.

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20080511/SUB/845931914/survivor-gmac-making-changes-after-mortgage-crisis

I do believe GM sold controlling interest in GMAC in 2006.

@Vulpine--The prices of most new trucks, cross overs, and suvs have skyrocketed. Loans have gone to 84 months I wonder how much more the prices will go up and how long the term of the loans are extended? Eventually a ceiling will be reached. It is understandable that Ford, GM, and FCA should make as much money as they can while they can but it seems that there are no plans beyond the immediate future. My concern is that we go thru another auto bankruptcy/bailout but this time Ford will be included. I hope I am wrong.

As for gasoline prices they will have to go up considerably more to effect vehicle sales. Keeping the monthly at an amount that is affordable will be the challenge. How many more months can you add to the term of a loan and still keep the monthly payments low enough that most buyers can afford them. Even if you lease how much will your monthly payments be and how much will you have to pay down.

"Note: the above was meant for PapaJim AND Fullsize Only.

Posted by: Vulpine | Oct 9, 2018 7:14:43 PM"

I agree with everything you said. Both Ford's current situation and Gm's bankruptcy are a result of multiple bad decisions not necessarily bad product. But ask gms and he will tell you that Gm was doing everything right but because of GMAC the govt had to bail Gm out. Sometimes those Gm blinders don't let people see clearly and that leads to excuse-making.....

Wow, some people have very wild imaginations.

GM, Ford and Chrysler (before FCA & Daimler) all made horrible deals with the auto unions back in the 1980s that had big built-in cost of living adjustments and higher costs of employee benefits.

After what union workers suffered through during the 1970s, it's not hard to understand why.

The business conditions improved considerably between 1984 and 2003. During that time the automakers and the employee unions prospered.

Please note, none of this has anything to do with products or brands or CEO's at all. It's about the cost of labor and benefits and the rigid constraints in those old labor agreements.

It's simply a fact that each of the big 3 were stuck with a labor deal that was unsustainable and all three went through enormous difficulty because of it. This is not intended to blast the union (or the managers) at the Big 3.

I agree with Vulpine for the most part that papajim has tried his best to destroy Ford because he had a tranny issue 10 years ago on a used Ranger. Ford doesn't sell used trucks. That's a private party or dealer problem. What I'm telling you here is that for a little more you can buy a new truck rather than a late model used truck with 60k plus miles that is out of warranty. This seems to be regardless of brand since trucks hold their overall value better. Another thing if you plan to keep you truck longer than most it might be better to buy new and buy below your wants, just buy what you need. Hopefully the increase in new vehicle sales will continue for a while, the economy sure needs the boost.

Sometimes those Gm blinders don't let people see clearly and that leads to excuse-making.....

Posted by: FullSize_only | Oct 9, 2018 8:46:32 PM

Obviously, the blue oval glasses you wear along with the high consumption of the Ford cool aid is keeping you in some delusional state that prevents you from accepting truths and facts.

The FAKE Jeff S

FYI. The Ranger that I had trans trouble with was a 2010 model bought brand new in November 2009. Get your facts straight.

I heard it was a buyback. Anyway that is 10 years ago. Get over it.

bl*w me

@Jeff,
Jim bought the 09 Ranger new, but his selling dealer went out of business right after he bought it. He believes another dealer would have rectified the problem, but he decided to trade it in. It was later found on the forums to be a minor problem that is easily fixed. The Silverado was in the shop recently and they had to give him a loaner. But get this the Silverado loaner was a 2018 and he claims the trans fell flat, almost stalling. Another bad tranny or just a bad buyer? Hed put that truck in the shop too if it was his I am sure. Lesson here? All of papa trucks end up in the shop for tranny work.

All true.

Lol

WRONG!! Gm is making the old body design along with the redesigned 2019 so they dont only have "remaining" 2018's to sell along with the new 2019's. Much different scenario than when Ford actually stopping production completeley to re-tool for the new truck while not having the old-body truck to sell in the meantime.
Posted by: FullSize_only | Oct 9, 2018 7:41:55 AM

LOL the only one wrong between the two of you is YOU.

They are making the old body design as 2019's, but they're stripped down "Custom" trims with limited configurations and features. Limited powertrain options, just one or two axle ratios to chose from, only equipped with the older 6-speed, limited interior options, limited paint choices, etc. Ford didn't stop all production at the same time, they STAGGERED the shutdown of their plants so only one plant was down at a time to make changes to the production line. They also ran the plants that weren't down at maximum capacity in the months leading up to their shut down to boost inventory with 2014 F-150's. They had A LOT of 2014 trucks in stock while the 2015's production ramped up. Those 2014 trucks were full-featured low, mid and upper trim level trucks too.

If papajim hates Ford for whatever reason that's ok. It's an open forum and a free country with freedom of speech unlike our friends in Europe and Australia.

Hopefully the sheep station goes back online tomorrow. The sheep deserve to be watered and fed.

if you are a Gm fan then you should be ashamed to bring that up being that not only does gm make engines but entire trucks in Mexico (Silao plant) http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-facilities/gm-mexico-facilities/gm-silao-plant/

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/08/how-gm-is-handling-2019-silverado-and-sierra-production-an-infographic/


Just another gm kool-aid drinking shill running at the mouth i guess.....
Posted by: FullSize_only | Oct 9, 2018 8:18:07 AM

Silao is only one source of engines. The GM Tonawanda location in New York state has 3 separate engine plants that among other engines, builds Gen V 4.3's, 5.3's, and 6.2's for GM's trucks.

https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/company_info/facilities/powertrain/tonawanda.html

Ironic that you jump all over GM for having an engine plant in Mexico considering not only is the 6.7 Powerstroke, designed for Ford by Austrians, is build in Mexico, but so too is the 3.5 Ecoboost built in Mexico at Fords Chihuahua engine plant. The 5.0 Coyote? Built at Ford's Windsor plant in Canada. Ford also imports engines from China, Hungary, Spain, and Britain for vehicles sold in the US. Ford has outsourced so much recently that the domestic content of the 2nd gen Raptor dropped from nearly 70% to barely over 50%. But hey, I guess Ford needed to take extreme measures as investors are getting worried. Ford CEO Jim Hackett has almost no details about his plan to save Ford from bankruptcy. So far he has mentioned mobile technology in Ford vehicels, ending production of all sedans in the US, creating an electric crossover SUV that was supposedly planned to be called the Mach 1. He also slashed Ford's r&D budget in half for internal combustion engines, he plans on cutting the number of configurations and options for Ford vehicles, slashing costs of Ford interior material costs, outsourcing more components, cutting costs from components such as transmisssions, etc. For example, Ford took the new GM 9-speed and removed a gear from it and redesigned it to cut weight and cost from it. They redesigned the MT-82 to cut costs and weight, defending the redesign by claiming the changes would make it feel more "precise", yet the most noticeable trait of the new MT-82 is that the shift forks which were once steel were changed to aluminum components that are now failing at an alarming rate. As a result of the poor leadership at FoMoCo lately, the stock slid under $9 today. That's after losing big money in China in September as Ford sales fell by nearly a third. Net profit last quarter fell to just 2.74%. To make things worse, despite Ford having just updated the 5.0, the 2.7, and the 3.5 for the F-150 as well as rolling out the 10-speed, their dealers still need to offer up to 20% off brand new 2018 F-150's, cutting into their profit margins just so they can scrounge up *something* positive for their sales reports. Never mind the fact that part of Hackett's turn around plan hinges solely on selling trucks and SUV's. Cutting into the margins of your biggest selling product seems like a bad idea right now. Last month Ford's credit rating fell to just one notch above junk status. Rumors are swirling that Ford might have to end their special dividend. If they do, the stock's value will be punished severely and the Ford family will be deprived of their largest source of income. If they don't end the dividend, the Ford Motor Company will only continue to get bled dry as profits continue their downward fall and Hackett spends billions to carry out his secret plan to save Ford from bankruptcy.

Yet despite the dire situation Ford is in right now, the fanboys on here are so delusional and unintelligent, they seem to think that Ford is in a healthier position than GM, FCA, Toyota, etc.

If papajim hates Ford for whatever reason that's ok. It's an open forum and a free country with freedom of speech unlike our friends in Europe and Australia.
Posted by: Tom | Oct 10, 2018 2:52:39 AM

Yet your hate for GM runs so deep that feel compelled to tr0ll GM Authority on a regular basis. AND you turn a blind eye to all the wrong things going on with Ford, all the terrible things that Ford has done to the American working man, all outsourcing Ford has perpetrated in the last few years. You are the definition of a hypocrite. Also, I am not Papajim. Your paranoia and blue delusions are getting to you. I hope you didn't bet the family nest egg on Ford by buying up stock.

These Ford guys ARE delusional. They seem to think Ford is doing better than ever. Just looking at their past comments when Ford changed generations of trucks, they were desperate to come up with explanations. Some were valid, others were basically deflections. Now they attack valid reasons for GM's current sales numbers, ignoring the fact that the new 2019 trucks are so restricted in availability that many smaller GM dealerships don't have any 2019 trucks yet. These hydocrites as you call them, which they really are, won't even bother to research their attacks. They just make up baseless claims and lies to try to turn the news into some kind of assertion that GM is near bankruptcy which is hilariously incorrect. Ford is the one that's in a dangerous financial situation. Those headlines talking about turn around plans and salaried employee layoffs aren't business as usual. Ford didn't fire their last CEO out of the blue because they just wanted a new face at meetings. Ford fell into a lull the last 5 or 6 years. They spent a LOT of money making new sedan designs that turned out to be huge flops, they ignored their crossover SUV lineup missing out on the huge explosion in SUV sales, they cancelled the Ranger assuming midsize buyers would consider an aluminum F-150 only to be caught with their pants down by missing out on huge midsize truck sales for the last 4 years, they bet big on aluminum trucks only to have to heavily incentivize them by June 2015, they have struggled to adapt to an atmosphere in the auto world where companies were heavily proactive in fixing safety issues like door latch failures, they were late to China (the largest auto market today btw) and when they got there they allowed their lineup to age so badly sales have fallen by a third, they have no answer to electric cars like the Tesla Model 3 or the Chevy Bolt, their material costs shot up a billion dollars out of nowhere due to the ongoing trade wars, etc etc etc etc. I'm glad that Ford made it through the recession by only having to accept $13 billion in taxpayer money but since then they have allow the ship to head into another iceburg. It's only a matter of time before a natural disaster causes another gasoline price crisis and Ford is busy killing sedans and making pictures of a nonexistent electric SUV formerly known as the Mach 1.

their material costs shot up a billion dollars out of nowhere due to the ongoing trade wars, etc

@Chuck

You make some good points, but the excuses you hear from the auto executives, and their minions on Wall Street, are typical.

What's not typical is the endlessly awful top drawer at Ford---the boardroom.

Instead of looking for an executive to replace CEO Mark Fields last year, they simply inserted one of their top shareholders. So much for gaining a little outside perspective.

The media lapdogs in Detroit rattled on about the new guy being from a furniture company, without noting that he was a big-time Ford shareholder and insider.

So much for accurate reporting.

Did Ford brass reach out to the new team in the White House last year? Not much.

In fact they publicly disagreed with the pres quite a bit. So much for making influential friends who might be able to help.

During the last 20 years Ford leadership has wasted so much capital and shareholder goodwill on trying to fight the last war.

It isn't at all surprising that the company's stock looks like it does today. It's very hard to find an honest analyst who will rate Ford stock as a buy, anymore. Dark days at Henry's house.

@wix

"LOL the only one wrong between the two of you is YOU.

They are making the old body design as 2019's, but they're stripped down "Custom" trims with limited configurations and features. Limited powertrain options, just one or two axle ratios to chose from, only equipped with the older 6-speed, limited interior options, limited paint choices, etc. Ford didn't stop all production at the same time, they STAGGERED the shutdown of their plants so only one plant was down at a time to make changes to the production line. They also ran the plants that weren't down at maximum capacity in the months leading up to their shut down to boost inventory with 2014 F-150's. They had A LOT of 2014 trucks in stock while the 2015's production ramped up. Those 2014 trucks were full-featured low, mid and upper trim level trucks too.

Posted by: Wixman | Oct 10, 2018 1:28:15 AM"

I'm the only one that is wrong yet you go ahead and agree with me and in detail explain how Gm is selling 2 generation 2019 trucks (meaning no inventory shortage) which is exactly what i said in correcting your fellow gm fan when he ignorantly stated that gm only had "remaining" 2018's to sell along with the constrained redesigned 2019. They are stripped down "custom" trims you say?? Is this one of those???
https://www.sirwalter.com/VehicleDetails/new-2019-Chevrolet-Silverado_1500_LD-Double_Cab_Standard_Box_4_Wheel_Drive_LT_Z71-Raleigh-NC/3273685343


The staggered shutdown still left Ford with no production for several weeks at each plant which are only 2 compared with Gm's 3 truck plants. Since you know that Ford ran its plants at maximum capacity before the shutdowns is that also what Gm did? So should they also have ALOT of inventory being that they have 3 plants and all??

@rammins


"Ironic that you jump all over GM for having an engine plant in Mexico considering not only is the 6.7 Powerstroke, designed for Ford by Austrians, is build in Mexico, but so too is the 3.5 Ecoboost built in Mexico at Fords Chihuahua engine plant."

I jumped all over Gm?? You need to read with your glasses on, i merely responded to your fellow gm boy when he pointed out Ford's 6.7 being made in Mexico as if gm was all American made (far from it). Sure i am aware of Ford making components and vehicles worldwide for US buyers its the new reality. Dont throw rocks when you are in a glass house is what you need to take away from this.

"To make things worse, despite Ford having just updated the 5.0, the 2.7, and the 3.5 for the F-150 as well as rolling out the 10-speed, their dealers still need to offer up to 20% off brand new 2018 F-150's, cutting into their profit margins just so they can scrounge up *something* positive for their sales reports."

Now why dont you tell me what domestic truck brand dosen't have dealers offering "up to 20% off" ?? Especially when your truck was redesigned 4 model years ago. You can look up any brand on any auto selling website and you will find dealers with deep discounts just like you will find dealers offering no discounts, every brand BAR NONE!!

"Scrounge up something positive for their sales report"?? That something positive must be the fact that they are dominating the full-size market by a HUGE margin.


All the other Ford company strategy and worldwide product performance you are talking about is something i dont follow to closely and if they are making bad decisions that's something that will catch up to them or maybe it wont. The future will show the answer. Apparently you are very well informed on the matter and are here inform us all on this pickup truck website comment section. Thanks for the service.....

The future will show the answer. ..Posted by: FullSize_only

You cannot be serious! Ford stock closed yesterday at under $9 per share. Please tell us the last time that happened.


@ wall street broker (aka papajim)

You got me wanting to know the answer and it appears that it was back in 2009 when it was on the way up from being under 2 dollars. So what does this mean All-knowing one??

Since I was looking up stocks I checked Gm and it appears they are on a sizeable YTD slide, what does that mean?

I will be awaiting your expert finacial insight here so that I can possibly buy some stocks based on your written in stone accurate predictions.....

I guess you could not answer my last question but I'll be respectful enough to answer yours.

In the last 5 years, GM stock has outperformed Ford but it's also increased their Earnings Per Share by almost 50 percent. I could explain why that's important but I don't want to strain your brain too much.

Too bad people don’t do their research because, now days, that info about a dealer going out of business is easily available.

the FAKE Jeff S

heheheehe….Chingon is being naughty naughty again!!!



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