2020 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 Reg/Ext Dually: Spied

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We're beginning to see quite a few captured images of the newly restyled and upgraded Chevrolet heavy-duty pickups, with the latest batch giving us a pretty good look at the size and shape of the Silverado 3500 dually models getting ready for their final testing runs. We don't have all the details yet (we're hoping to get more info at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit), but we should be hearing more about the new products and strategy in the coming weeks.

Related: 2020 GMC Sierra 2500/3500: Spied

Here's the latest from our spy shooters:


We now have the first uncovered shots of the 2020 Chevy Silverado as a 3500 dually, with our best look yet at the regular-cab and double-cab configurations. While Chevrolet has pulled the wraps off a couple of variants of its new HD earlier, they only showed Silverado 2500 crew-cab models with the standard beds.

These new spy shots give us our first looks at the regular-cab and double-cab variants bereft of the heavy vinyl camouflage, so we get our best feel for how they work within the confines of the 2020 HD's new design language. We also get an excellent look at the flared dually box that will be applied to the one-ton models. With the polarizing frontal styling (perhaps toned down a bit on these simpler work-truck-trimmed vehicles), GM's new trucks certainly aren't wallflowers.

We're told these latest HD prototypes are testing the two new or updated engines destined for GM's HD lineup: The regular-cab 3500 HD work-truck dually is powered by the updated Duramax diesel V-8 and its new Allison 10-speed transmission (stickers indicating a U.S.-spec diesel and diesel exhaust fluid are prominent placed around the fuel door). We've heard rumors the new diesel should be good for 910 pounds-feet of torque, while horsepower figures remain unverified.

GM's new gasoline V-8 engine looks to be powering the double-cab dually prototype (stickers call for regular unleaded near the fuel door). This new gasoline V-8 is expected to up GM current HD power and torque ratings - likely thanks to its rumored Navistar-sourced 6.6-liter V-8 engine, reportedly good for a bump up to 400 horsepower and 450 pounds-feet of torque.

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Comments

I really like that side slot step on the box. Will make it very enjoyable to grab something out of the box or washing, drying. And waxing truck.....instead of stepping on back of tire all the time. Great innovation GM.

400/450. They need to up it to 430/480. GM has a plethora of small block or big blocks to slam into there. Make it happen. Stop being so d@mn conservative.

Navistar V8?!

Off topic: The 2020 F150 engines I speculate will be

2.3 Ecoboost (To replace the 2.7 Ecoboost)
3.0 Ecoboost (From 2020 Explorer to replace the low output 3.5 Ecoboost)
3.5 Ecoboost (The current high output engine)
3.0 Powerstroke
3.3 (Hybrid from the 2020 Explorer)
5.0 (Possibly but unlikely Hybrid)

Josh, the 2.7 will not be going anywhere. It is a new engine and unlike the 3.5 it was actually designed to be a turbo charged truck engine.

Navistar built engine?

That was one reason for my hate of Ford. I did accept the fact GM can’t build half decent Medium Duty trucks, so they had to outsource that...but now outsourcing engines too?

Ugh

That is a dazzling (reg cab) dually. Makes me want to buy a couple of ponies just so I can haul them around to various pastures here in cowboy country.

@Jeff S

TTAC printed a story today apologizing for its report about the new Ranger and oil changes. They had it wrong.

FYI

How do you get up to that side step on the bed? They need a step under it. Maybe on a lower half ton but not on these HD's that are three feet off the ground.

The new gas V-8 not a Navistar sourced engine. GM designed and will manufacture it, but Navistar will also use it.

GM needs no help building the most reliable V8 engines out there. I don't believe the outsource claim like Big Bob states. Navistar will use the GM engine.

More trouble for Ford.

Funny how in the regular cab variant the lady's face has to be blurred. Should've just kept the window up.

Either way you're getting a 6.6 L V8, will it be gas or diesel? That is a tough decision...but these are some decent looking rigs, and I can't wait to see the GMC version.

400/450. They need to up it to 430/480. GM has a plethora of small block or big blocks to slam into there. Make it happen. Stop being so d@mn conservative.


Posted by: TNTGMC | Jan 7, 2019 9:13:59 AM
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GM has no big block gas V8’s in production that they could slam in there. They haven’t has a big block ( L18 8.1L Vortec ) in a GM production vehicle in over 10 years.

Not to mention gas big block V8's are a dying bread.

"GM has a plethora of small block or big blocks to slam into there. Make it happen."

[BUZZER] WRONG! GM has since ash-canned their big block in 2007.

TNTGMC is an uneducated GM Shill.

He’s good at thing though....spreading fake news like a good antifa NWO globalist, open borders, 3rd World muslim loving leftist does.

GM has no big block gas V8’s in production that they could slam in there. They haven’t has a big block ( L18 8.1L Vortec ) in a GM production vehicle in over 10 years.


Posted by: papajim | Jan 7, 2019 12:45:45 PM
Not to mention gas big block V8's are a dying bread.


Posted by: papajim | Jan 7, 2019 1:10:15 PM

Not the real papajim.

Oh look, it’s GMSRGREAT ( there’s no such vehicle as a “ GM “ ), another uneducated GM Shill.

This place is infested with these morons

Oh look, it’s GMSRGREAT ( there’s no such vehicle as a “ GM “ ), another uneducated GM Shill.

This place is infested with these morons


Posted by: papajim | Jan 7, 2019 1:45:23 PM
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What do you expect from a counter clerk at AutoZone?

the fake papajim got out of school early today.

Get on topic papaTROLL

@ imposter tntgmc

Get a new name @$$🤡. Its cumbersome having u taint the site with others names. You have some serious insecurity issues. Stop by office for a session. Ill try and fix you 💩head!

As for all the rest of these ford clowns commenting on GM not having big blocks.

I never once said in production in a vehicle....if u go to GMs website snd see all there crate engines....there are a plethora of them to choose from....get educated u fools

Ill do it for you!!
https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines

Plethora....big word for some people

I'm just not feeling the love for these new GM HD's.

go to GMs website...Posted by: TNTGMC | Jan 7, 2019

@TNTGMC

Agree. You can get a crate motor at GM's site. But WAIT there's more. Many vendors still produce GM big block engines in the aftermarket. Why would they do that?

Because there is HUGE public demand for them. As has been the case ever since the 1960s, GM engines are the most popular engines for hot rodders and other enthusiasts. Better performance, better designs, less cost. What's not to like?

Crate engines? Really?

None are certified to be in a current production vehicle for street use. It would cost GM hundreds of millions to create a modern day emission legal Big Block for production vehicles.

And won’t do it.

Stop living in your leftist fantasy world you stupid fuq.

@ Brawndo

How about you calm down man. Relax. Looks like u let things eat u up inside way to much.

Btw...do u know what a real leftist is? Im thinking you dont.

It would cost GM hundreds of millions to create a modern day emission legal Big Block ...Posted by: Brawndo | Jan 7, 2019

Give up the dope, man!

What a ridiculous statement. Minor updates would make the last generation 8.1 current.

What a ridiculous statement. Minor updates would make the last generation 8.1 current.


Posted by: papajim | Jan 7, 2019 3:52:04 PM

Prove it. If you don’t or can’t, then you obviously have no idea on the complexity of such and undertaking

Prove it?

@BA

I've got something you can prove right here!

We are waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is papajim.

I second what BA requested - so prove it.

How do you get up to that side step on the bed? They need a step under it. Maybe on a lower half ton but not on these HD's that are three feet off the ground.

Posted by: papajim | Jan
/QUOTE

You should eat more steak and potatoes girly boy,,maybe you would grow bigger too

HAHAHAHA

not the real papajim

I second what BA requested - so prove it.
Posted by: TNTGMC | Jan 7, 2019

I second my reply to him.

Minor updates would make the last generation 8.1 current

Why would any sentient individual even question such an obvious statement? The last 8.1 engines were produced for trucks in the New York plant about 10 years ago.

CAFE would be the only beef, and with the current White House and low gas prices CAFE is probably going to be a thing of the past very soon.

@ papajim

Dont listen to those fools. They dont even own trucks. Heck they cant even own their own usernames. Their pathetic!


So it’s just your opinion with no facts

You are definitely a GM Shill. A P.O.S one at that.

@ BA

Nah. Its the truth. I deal with clowns like u all day long. Can spot you from a mile away!

My comment was for papajim.

But since you have the grammatical skills of a child ( “ their pathetic “ ) I’ll take your reply as a compliment you P.O.S little sissy.

I know he's messed up but it sure is hilarious reading the internal conversations of Brawndo, BA, fake papajim and fake TNTGMC. HILARIOUS!

@ BA

Thanks car driving grammar teacher.....I'll make sure to properly spell check and proof read before every post. Lol

Now you make sure to use just one name little fella

Big gas engines aren’t a dying breed, not yet.
They are an attractive alternative to the diesel price premium and limited fuel cost benefit.

Most reasonable data suggests that the 6.6 engine will be based on the larger bore 6.2, but will utilize a taller deck height for a longer connecting rod and specific intake with increased plenum and runner volume.
The L92 headflow is sufficent to support a 6.6L engine to around 6,000 rpm. Given current engine management and current camshaft profiles, these are EASY 440-450 hp around 5200-5400 RPM, with peak torque in the 450s, around the 3300-3600 range.
That’s bread and butter HD work truck engine. Run all day at the torque peak, the 10 speed keeps it there.
GM was playing with a big tall deck V8 and a 5.3 based V10 before the financial crisis. They abandoned the V10 because the bore swept area and resulting internal friction losses were greater than an equal sized V8. Further, DOD V10s aren’t smooth in V8 or V6 mode because of the odd crank offsets and/or bank angle. GM has top folks in their V8 program as evidenced. Tvtheir slow methodical advancement in tech, while Ford jumps around between concepts.

But that horrible torsion bar suspension... 3500 HD, with the high cap front bars for a snow plow, is absolutely punishing.

Two things killed the 8.1:
Cost
Duramax.

It was a little fuel thirsty, but that was with 4L85E tech, not modern 8 or 10 speed tech.
It was a stand alone which increased the costs.

Biggest thing, more power with the Dmax and better fuel economy.

Updating an 8.1 to 430 hp would be a challenge. The heads didn’t support it and the rotating mass would require peak power below 5,000 RPM and peak torque in the 515 range. It wouldn’t be clean OR fuel efficient at that level.

Two things killed the 8.1:
Cost
Duramax.

It was a little fuel thirsty, but that was with 4L85E tech, not modern 8 or 10 speed tech.
It was a stand alone which increased the costs.

Biggest thing, more power with the Dmax and better fuel economy.

Updating an 8.1 to 430 hp would be a challenge. The heads didn’t support it and the rotating mass would require peak power below 5,000 RPM and peak torque in the 515 range. It wouldn’t be clean OR fuel efficient at that level.

My forty-year-old son has been paying a psychiatrist $50 an hour every week for two-and-a-half years. He must be crazy.

I know he's messed up but it sure is hilarious reading the internal conversations of Brawndo, BA, fake papajim and fake TNTGMC. HILARIOUS!...Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jan 7, 2019

indeed it's one person. The fake BA is nowhere near as dysfunctional as the real BA but at least the real BA has some knowledge of chassis and powertrain details. This fake BA only knows how to engage for the sake of annoying people.

@James

Most of your commentary is well said but let me emphasize that a 454 or a 8.1 will be ideal for the majority of owners. Either of these engines in truck tune will live their lives between 2k and 4k RPM and they'll perform perfectly well there.

A discussion about big block gas engines and their HP figures at speeds above 5k RPM is a mystery to me. I've done enough driving in rigs like that to know that a properly loaded rig just won't be turning that tight.

I don't picture GM attempting to reintroduce the big block as a muscle car engine, ala 1966. Simply a tough, resilient and gritty truck motor.

My forty-year-old son has been paying a psychiatrist $50 an hour every week for two-and-a-half years. He must be crazy.
Posted by: Brawndo | Jan 7, 2019

@brawndo

What planet are you on? Real psychiatrists (an MD with a specialty in psychology) haven't worked for $50 per hour since the 1980s. If he's getting a qualified board-certified shrink for $50 per hour, he's crazy like a fox.

I fell of love and romance with 2020 GM HD dually very cute baby!

Still has the awful grill, and the wonky side view mirrors. Probably sporting the crappiest interior of the Big 3 minus 1 as recent reviews have been saying.

On the positive. The rear fender is a nice integrated job. And while that stinks for the price of repair an integrated dually fender seems to be what everyone wants. The Ford design while not bad is too busy. The bed side step again is a very nice feature everyone should copy.

Its nice that they finally figured out how to get the frame and DEF tank out of view. Now rush the mid cycle refresh on this and get a decent grill and an interior not to be ashamed of out quickly.

Big gas engines aren’t a dying breed, not yet.
They are an attractive alternative to the diesel price premium and limited fuel cost benefit.

Most reasonable data suggests that the 6.6 engine will be based on the larger bore 6.2, but will utilize a taller deck height for a longer connecting rod and specific intake with increased plenum and runner volume.
The L92 headflow is sufficent to support a 6.6L engine to around 6,000 rpm. Given current engine management and current camshaft profiles, these are EASY 440-450 hp around 5200-5400 RPM, with peak torque in the 450s, around the 3300-3600 range.
That’s bread and butter HD work truck engine. Run all day at the torque peak, the 10 speed keeps it there.
GM was playing with a big tall deck V8 and a 5.3 based V10 before the financial crisis. They abandoned the V10 because the bore swept area and resulting internal friction losses were greater than an equal sized V8. Further, DOD V10s aren’t smooth in V8 or V6 mode because of the odd crank offsets and/or bank angle. GM has top folks in their V8 program as evidenced. Tvtheir slow methodical advancement in tech, while Ford jumps around between concepts.

But that horrible torsion bar suspension... 3500 HD, with the high cap front bars for a snow plow, is absolutely punishing.


Posted by: James | Jan 7, 2019 9:23:44 PM

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My god,

Real conversation from people who know what they are talking about, how refreshing.

Reminds me of the original brick. I definitely like the numbers they would get in a design that would be almost bulletproof.



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