Could Ford's Hybrid Mustang Engine Be Used in the F-150?

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The next-generation Ford F-150 could possibly have an all-new hybrid V-8 powertrain option that uses a traditional longitudinal drivetrain (meaning power runs through the driveshaft to the rear axle) while a pair of electric motors provide power to the two front wheels.

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According to AutoGuide, Ford applied for a patent for the new powertrain, which is expected to motivate the Ford Mustang Hybrid. AutoGuide is among the media outlets that have asserted that this system, in theory, also could work just as well with a V-8-powered full-size or smaller pickup truck.

A hybrid engine would deliver efficient four-wheel-drive capability while also providing plenty of grunt for hauling payload and towing with a traditional ladder-frame truck. The limited ability of a hybrid pickup truck to perform those tasks is what has kept truckmakers from offering hybrid powertrains in full-size pickups. They've been waiting for a hybrid-engine technological breakthrough that would allow half-ton and heavy-duty trucks to perform the work for which they are purchased. Could this engine be what Ford's been waiting for?

Of course, having smaller hybrid pickup truck choices might make even more sense, but mid-size sales numbers don't justify that kind of investment. Creating a hybrid system that could be used in F-150, F-250 or F-350 pickup trucks, especially in regard to fleet buyers who purchase tens of thousands of pickups each year, will clearly be more in Ford's best interests.

There's no word yet as to when or how this Ford engine may get included in the next-generation F-150 or Super Duty lineup, but it would shake things up in the pickup truck class — especially if fuel prices begin to creep up.

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They could also use this new tech in the rear wheel drive Explorer, getting a lot of bang for their buck.

Unlike RAM 1500 and GM 1500 trucks half ar$e system me, a real hybrid drivetrain.

Bravo Ford

Now, Let’s see who falllows who in this.

"Of course, having smaller hybrid pickup truck choices might make even more sense, but mid-size sales numbers don't justify that kind of investment..."

@Mark,

Yes, but...presuming you mean the midsize.

One of the reasons I've been indifferent to midsize trucks like the Colorado, Ridgeline, Frontier and Tacoma till now is there was so little in the way of a FE reward for sacrificing performance and comfort (along with no sticker-price advantage) because I'd settled for a smaller truck.

25 year ago, compact pickups could give you highway FE in the mid to high 20s, and sticker prices were under 20k, these smaller trucks carried an obvious advantage over full sizers from a checkbook perspective.

If a genuine hybrid drivetrain gives you AWD capability along with some serious checkbook advantages THAT would be something worth considering.

Just one other thing. If you think dropping the oil pan is a b*tch on your V8 now, just wait till there's a bunch more junk up front to block your way.

But wait, DO YOU KNOW WHO IS REALLY GONNA FALLOW FORD ON THIS? Well YEAH YOU KNOW GARBAGE MOTORS AND FIAT OF COURSE.

But wait, DO YOU KNOW WHO IS REALLY GONNA FALLOW FORD ON THIS? Well YEAH YOU KNOW GARBAGE MOTORS AND FIAT OF COURSE.

Ford would be following GM on the full hybrid, since GM already had one in 2007ish. I personally don't care who follows who, I just care about who builds the better system at a competitive price. Ford has a lot of experience with hybrids, so, I would think there is a good chance that it will be reliable.

@Texas

Brake rotors on the back wheels give off some heat, but on the front rotors it's hot.

Really hot. I wonder how long the little electrical gizmo's in those electric motors hold up sitting right next to those blazing hot front rotors.

I admit to liking the basic idea though. A mustang is a pretty heavy car, esp. with the 8 cylinder motor. So if it works on the Pony, it's probably ok for the pickup (as long as you aren't dragging really heavy trailers around in the mountains).

You see, I'm incapable of joy. Even though I have NEVER seen this fictitious hybrid truck, I can assure you with all of my infinite wisdom that I know where everything will be placed and the difficulty it will take to service it. Yes, I am that f&cking ignorant and arrogant.

I should end myself.

YAY!!! Please do it papafart!!

Do-it....do-it...do-it.....

Please put me out of my misery....

I'm pretty sure papajim and I've met before....

Just read that Ford is adding OT to keep up with unexpected Ranger demand. We’ll see how that goes...

https://www.tfltruck.com/2019/01/ford-ranger-overtime-shifts-news/
"Ford currently builds the Ranger on a single shift at the plant, but orders are quickly outstripping supply. “Based on the orders coming in, and based on the hand-raisers, we think the demand’s going to be so strong, that starting in February our assembly plant will be going into massive overtime,” Galhotra said."

I agree with Texas. GM built one 12 years ago! So ford is way late. Let's just hope they build it well enough so when you buy it, you dont have to stop at your local ACE hardware and pickup a fire extinguisher before going home and parking it into your garage.

Rumors are that GM will also have a full hybrid this generation, this is probably why they did not carry over the mild hybrid that they had until last year. I am wild guessing that GM's new hybrid will be similar to the upcoming rumored Camaro V8 hybrid.

Just read that Ford is adding OT to keep up with unexpected Ranger demand. We’ll see how that goes...


Posted by: Grnzel | Jan 30, 2019 2:56:12 PM

It this is accurate then the F-series is going to take an equivalent drop in sales.

If this is accurate

Not hardly. It will be the chebby twins both full and midsize that take a hard blow in sales. We all know chebby cant take that as Ram will kick them hard where it hurts. Ranger will dominate the little twins as well as toieletoder.

Just one other thing. If you think dropping the oil pan is a b*tch on your V8 now, just wait till there's a bunch more junk up front to block your way.

Posted by: papajim |
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Why would you need to DROP the Oil pan??

Is that what caused your brain damage when it dropped on yo head

"Just one other thing. If you think dropping the oil pan is a b*tch on your V8 now, just wait till there's a bunch more junk up front to block your way.

Posted by: papajim "

I haven't dropped an oil pan since 1992. But then, I don't drive GM products either.

@Chrishansen we met in a truck stop bathroom about 2 years ago.

@Walt

I appreciate your confusion. The Ford service manual says if your engine starts making strange noises to park your vehicle on the side of a remote country lane and douse it with plenty of gasoline and put the flame to it. The resulting fire will be covered by your insurance.

If you own a GM engine, you can usually repair it without resorting to extreme measures like the above-referenced instructions. Sorry you were confused.

I'm pretty sure the Ford is going to be a piece of junk. I can't really tell you why but I just feel that it will be. You should buy the gm hybrid. Gm is always first so you can bet they will be first with truck hybrid that will be sold on a large scale. They were also first to use aluminum bodies and wide use of turbo charged small displacement engine in a truck.....Soo smart. Ford copied gm with their Ecoboost motors and aluminum body trucks. Gm was also first with a tailgate step. Ford soon followed with their own version. I just love my gm trucks. I have 3 of them. I hope to purchase another one soon. At the end of the day, gm is really the only company that knows how to build a pickup. You should buy GM stock if you know what's good for you. Mary Barra is the greatest CEO in this country right now.

Just to confirm we are testing an all-new hybrid V-8 powertrain. Here is a short video from our test facility....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-WP34XshRI

Ford can't build a hybrid system. If it's not a GM its not going to be worth anything. If fact I don't know why I even come here anymore the articles are mostly pro Ford.

The rear conventional drive with electric front drive should offer a very good mixed traction ability. This could be a superb implementation of AWD.

This week we learn that despite all of the noise from the suits at Ford and GM about higher steel prices affecting the automakers last year, steel today is cheaper than it was before the China-tariff talk started. The media will say anything to keep the White House's economic policy on the front burner.


"Not hardly. It will be the chebby twins both full and midsize that take a hard blow in sales. We all know chebby cant take that as Ram will kick them hard where it hurts. Ranger will dominate the little twins as well as toieletoder.
Posted by: Truck frame | Jan 30, 2019 4:47:41 PM"

I agree, the small gm trucks are what will take the most equivalent drop in sales as the Ranger sales go to the top and with Rams amazing sales pace i do believe its possible they can outsell Chevy in 2019 which would be such a damn shame for the gm guys, new for 2019 truck and all.

@truck frame

Is that your best? toieletoder? Hard blow? kicked where it hurts?

You aren't talking about some fifth-rate company. You seem to be referring to the same firm that built and sold MORE pickups than ANY other company in North America during the last five years.

@ Texas 1836

Yes, Chevy already has an electric camaro. Here is the article. Very stout vehicle the can build upon!


https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-ecopo-camaro-pops-electric-wheelie-first-pass/

"Wow, I want that hybrid car engine in my truck!" Said no one, ever.

"Wow, I want that hybrid car engine in my truck!" Said no one, ever...Posted by: Robert | Jan 31, 2019

Interesting point, Robert. I guess it comes down to the way you use your truck. Guys who need their trucks for the day-to-day construction and farming work will not be lining-up to buy a hybrid pickup.

Just my opinion. You can buy a whole truckload of generators and compressors for a fraction of what the hybrid upgrade will cost to buy and maintain.

Yes, Chevy already has an electric camaro. Here is the article. Very stout vehicle the can build upon!


https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-ecopo-camaro-pops-electric-wheelie-first-pass/


Posted by: TNTGMC | Jan 31, 2019 8:08:54 AM

That's an awesome picture of the Camaro lifting it's wheels. According to recent announcements, GM has moved pass hybrids and unto full electric. Ford still obtaining patented for old technology. HAHAHA!

Papajim really trying hard to believe a hybrid pickup is a bad idea. Probably because Ford is going to beat gm to it. Or more like gm tried it already and failed miserably.

I've got to laugh at these idiots who write off an engine because it is a "car" engine. If an engine goes into the f150 you can bet 100 percent it was designed with that in mind. Having a versatile engine that works well in both a high performance car or a truck is not a bad thing.

I really want a 4 cylinder engine in my truck.....said all the Chevy guys. I can guarantee one thing. The hybrid f150 is going to be by far more successful than any other hybrid pickup made to this point. I wouldn't be surprised if gm and ram end up scrambling to copy it. They were caught with their pants down when it came to the raptor. Will they be caught with their pants down again?

GM attempted to build hybrid trucks and failed miserably. Ford is the real company that does it right, and people will buy it.

GM half lazy technologies just doesn't cut it, Ford is moving on with F150 Electric, while GM is still trying to fiddle and figure out a small turbo I4


Hahahahahahahahaha

Having a versatile engine that works well in both a high performance car or a truck is not a bad thing.
Posted by: yeah | Jan 31, 2019

You talk like a complete fool. GM started doing this in the 1950s back when Ford's lame V8 was a joke. GM just kept refining the same package and Ford went through about five different ideas which were all a complete bust.

You talk like a complete fool. GM started doing this in the 1950s back when Ford's lame V8 was a joke. GM just kept refining the same package and Ford went through about five different ideas which were all a complete bust.


Posted by: papajim | Jan 31, 2019 10:47:54 AM

It wasn't until a GM executive put a Ford V8 in a Chev Sedan and said, people want V8 power when GM was still tinkering with straight 6s.

You're a tool, you've told.

Interestingly enough here we have a rare situation where Ford is following GM. GM has done all of this a decadeish ago. At the time it was (unlike the current chevy full size truck) favorably reviewed/received by the automotive press. It was used in full size SUV and 1/2 ton truck platforms and I heard nothing but praise for by those that owned/used it. It was naturally more expensive and heavier but performance and reliability were impressive. So what killed it? Cheap gas? Lack of interest? Too new/ahead of its time (a rarity for GM)? Looming bankruptcy? Ultimately probably a combination of those factors to some degree or another. For once it wasn't GM's usual lack of competent execution.

Maybe now is a better time, maybe not. Maybe Ford will get it right, maybe not. I know I would like to see it work as it could make sense for many and especially fleets. Time will tell but its disturbing that not that long ago a really good shot at this made and still failed.

????
Papajim calls me a fool and then starts rambling about something from 60 years ago that has nothing to do with what I said???? That guy is losing his mind. Apparently he missed the point. No sense in arguing with idiots.

@Yeah

How many rebuilders are busy producing Ford 312 V8s and old MEL engines?

None---thank you. How many rebuilders are busy making Small Block Chevy engines and rat motors? Every single one of them.

The 283-327-350 Chevy small block has been out of production for 20 years and it is still the dominant motor for hot rodders and people who want to breathe new life into a 32 Ford.

Sorry about your bad luck b

@Yeah

How many rebuilders are busy producing Ford 312 V8s and old MEL engines?

None---thank you. How many rebuilders are busy making Small Block Chevy engines and rat motors? Every single one of them.

The 283-327-350 Chevy small block has been out of production for 20 years and it is still the dominant motor for hot rodders and people who want to breathe new life into a 32 Ford.

Sorry about your bad luck b

@ papajim

I agree with the above statement.

Every car show I've ever been too, always has a Ford with a small block Chevy motor. I have yet to go to a show and EVER see a Chevy with a Ford motor. NEVER!!
There is a reason why, Ford guys are just in denial!

On topic:

A hybrid motor will be good for the suburbanites who never use a truck as a truck, but as a family hauler!

This is because a Chevy Small block cost half as it was put into every car by GM

It's simple, they cost cheap, cheap motors, last for cheap times.

This is why you see old chevy motors in Ford.

The guy can't afford it. PERIOD.

Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl9YlCOKXvo

When was the last time you saw a chromed-up Ford 312 or MEL motor in a hot rod of ANY brand, Frank?

@ Frank

Man your still here😡🤮🤢

Second stop making excuses. GM just builds the best V8s. They are durable, low cost, low maintenance, great power, and reliable! PERIOD!

Stop the excuses and move along like u said you were going too

So which motor blew up first?

That video has no validity at all Frank. Good try man!

Now, do what you said u would do and leave! Please.



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