Feds, FCA Reach Settlement in EcoDiesel Emissions Scandal

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The EPA and Department of Justice recently announced a settlement with Fiat Chrysler Automobiles includes $800 million in fines, recall repairs procedures, environmental remediation and a settlement with owners, the latter pending court approval. At the heart of the issue are nearly 100,000 2014-16 Ram 1500 half-ton pickup trucks and Jeep Grand Cherokee SUVs equipped with FCA's previous-generation 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 that violated the Clean Air Act with emissions software that allowed the engine to emit illegally high levels of nitrogen oxide, which produces smog.

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Our colleagues at Cars.com have compiled a comprehensive question and answer article that provides owners with all suit's background, the mandated fixes and vehicle performance consequences of the fixes. It also tells owners how they might benefit from the class-action lawsuit.

As you might expect, the issues involved here are complicated. FCA will be on the hook for potential environmental damage that may have occurred from the vehicles emitting higher than allowable levels of harmful chemicals out the exhaust system. To remediate that damage, the settlement requires FCA to develop cleaner aftermarket catalytic converters.

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If you still own one of these two affected vehicles, you will be contacted with the appropriate information about how to get your vehicle's engine and transmission serviced (basically the recall involves a software reflash) at a local dealer and then get information about having that vehicle retested over the next five years to ensure that the vehicle continues to meet emissions standards. If it doesn't, FCA will pay additional fines. According to the court filings, these fixes are not expected to alter reliability or performance.

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Comments

It isn’t illegal levels of NOx emissions, it is artificially low limits that are very difficult to obtain, set to constrain light duty pickups and reduce their desirability. Diesels have been viewed since 2008 as the alternative to higher CAFE regs.

Similar to when the Clinton administration arbitrarily changed the allowable limits of water pollution. Overnight there was a national crisis and access to safe drinking water was in question.
No, just that they changed the limits.

Development of these engines was on going well before the rules were changed by the Obama administration, along with unrealistic CAFE regulations. Companies were caught in a legislative catch-22. On one hand roll out expensive new tech, negatively impact sales, or push through with tech, that is legal at the state level, but not specifically legal under the initial start up testing.

The Fiat-Chrysler is different from the VW case, where the PCM could detect the car wasn’t actually on a road and thereby restrict the operating parameters. But then again, GM plays with their Open-Loop operation points to boost performance in lower power cars. No one talks about that...

Pickuptrucks.com - where old news (clicks) is always better than no news.

https://jalopnik.com/fiat-chrysler-to-pay-over-650-million-to-settle-emissi-1831626680

@James

Agree regarding federal enforcement. Regular readers here already know my pitch---which is simple---some places are desperate for effective regulation and management of oxides and other pollutants.

LA, Mexico City, some of the big cities in China for example.

Most other places on earth simply do not need it, nor is it even desirable as policy. Where I live every breath we breathe was in Louisiana yesterday and will be in Britain next week. Fresh air's no sweat for us.

Why do I need a truck with $10k worth of emissions gear? I don't. Likewise for someone whose vehicles only drive a few miles per year.

Enforcement and regs need to be tuned locally. Ok, say three Hail Marys and be off with you. You've heard my sermon.

Now that Ford is in bed with VW can't wait for the Diesel scandals to continue!

LAWSUITS...
RECALLS...
REPAIRS...

RAYUM!

Now that Ford is in bed with VW can't wait for the Diesel scandals to continue!...Posted by: Jim Hackett CEO Ford | Jan 26, 2019

Makes me wonder if GM service departments have been discreetly re-programming the ECMs on the Colorado/Canyon diesels when they're in for oil changes or other service.

Do you bet Ford's held back on announcing a diesel Ranger because of it---hey wait, you'd be the one to know, right?

papajim. most the guys I know who have Colorado/Canyon diesels have done a delete and put an after market tune on them. Gobs more power and some have blown up and they expect GM to warranty them,,,, idiots

GM can tell with the BCM has been altered even after you put it back to stock...

Even your personal computer maintains 'logs' deep in the machine's internal records.

Trying to conceal something like that, whether a PC, Laptop, smartphone or automotive systems is a trick. Not easy, maybe even impossible.

most the guys I know who have Colorado/Canyon diesels have done a delete and put an after market tune on them. Gobs more power and some have blown up and they expect GM to warranty them,,,, idiots

GM can tell with the BCM has been altered even after you put it back to stock...
Posted by: Dave | Jan 26, 2019 5:48:37

The only guys with blown engines are the idiots that use GDE tunes. Their tunes were garbage on the Ecodiesels and they're garbage on the 2.8 Duramax.

The 2.8 Duramax is a great engine once deleted and tuned. 10 times better than the Ecodiesel. The key is to do the research and chose a tuner with a well-vetted tune. Dan's Diesel is well regarded when it comes to these 2.8 Duramax's. Even the transmission tune can gain some good, reliable performance. I've seen guys with properly tuned Colorado diesels that roast the tires just by gunning it and pull in 32-34 MPG on the highway. And they're clean tunes too. Rarely will you see any smoke on a good solid tune.

Makes me wonder if GM service departments have been discreetly re-programming the ECMs on the Colorado/Canyon diesels when they're in for oil changes or other service.

Do you bet Ford's held back on announcing a diesel Ranger because of it---hey wait, you'd be the one to know, right?
Posted by: papajim | Jan 26, 2019 1:54:45 PM


What about the 3.0 Powerstroke? Whatever happened with that lawsuit over emissions cheating with the 6.7 Powerstroke? Nearly anybody using Bosch emissions parts or software are almost certainly at risk for lawsuits. GM seems to have gone to extreme lengths to encrypt the computers on the L5P trucks. I imagine that it was as much to protect the trucks from the prying eyes of ambulance chasing lawyers as it was to keep guys to paying bad tuners to get more performance out of the truck.

Deletes are illegal as far as I know. I now plenty of people with 2.5 Duramax's but they are all stock.

Even the transmission tune can gain some good, reliable performance. I've seen guys with properly tuned Colorado diesels that roast the tires just by gunning it and pull in 32-34 MPG on the highway. And they're clean tunes too. Rarely will you see any smoke on a good solid tune...Posted by: Rammins | Jan 27, 2019

@rammins

Great info. We are paying a great (hidden) price to comply with EPA and CAFE. It's a national tragedy that the 'green' politicians started forcing on us back in the 1970s when the smarty pants college professors decided that the world was running out of oil.

Now we have top national Democrats talking about spending trillions of dollars to completely re-make our energy infrastructure to kill-off the green-house gas bogeyman. And they're serious.

"Most other places on earth simply do not need it, nor is it even desirable as policy. Where I live every breath we breathe was in Louisiana yesterday and will be in Britain next week. Fresh air's no sweat for us."


Trouble is that before it was in Louisiana, it was in China. You are breathing China's dirt.

before it was in Louisiana, it was in China. You are breathing China's dirt

@n'oreaster

Air pollution is a rather local matter.

As the soot and other pollutants move downrange from the source a lot of dilution is going on. By the time smokestack and vehicle exhaust plumes are even fifty miles from the origin they are diluted to the point that only the finest instruments can detect it.

China's dirt? Not so much.

If you really want something to worry about think WATER.

Every person on earth needs a couple of liters of clean water every day for good health (to to mention for livestock and agriculture). Multiply that daily requirement times the billions of people who will live here during the next 30 years and the air pollution nightmare starts to fade a bit.

You can smoke cigarettes all your life (they smoke like fiends in China) and still survive to old age. One glass of dirty water--just one time---will kill.

That's why I don't drink water and smoke cigarettes when I can't get a male appendage conveniently. An oral STD is better than cancer! Am I right?

FAKE papa

@papajim | Jan 27, 2019 3:12:16 PM

Not the real papajim

@papajim


Not the real papajim

Ok, I'm sick of this. I've now changed my name to therealpapajim because of these imposters.

GM can tell with the BCM has been altered even after you put it back to stock...

Posted by: Dave | Jan 26, 2019

Unlike the trash that " just the truth " is spewing, what Dave said is 100% accurate.

@papajim,

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop posting all this weird crap and get back to making fun of Ford and Ram.

GM can tell with the BCM has been altered even after you put it back to stock...

Posted by: Dave | Jan 26, 2019

Unlike the trash that " just the truth " is spewing, what Dave said is 100% accurate.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jan 27, 2019 11:53:12 PM

"Just the truth" has not spewed trash.
Don't you get tired of being wrong?

"Just the truth" has not spewed trash.
Don't you get tired of being wrong?

Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 28, 2019 12:18:01 PM

GM has sold more pick-ups over the last 6 year time period than Ford.

@gms I have not spoken to the last 6 years of truck sales. But since you bring it up. Let us look at what if would be apples to apples comparison.
Ford full size 4,924,500
GM full size 4,609,028
Truck against like truck Ford is clearly in the lead.

Wow! JTT actually posted under his own name. Somebody take a picture!

Wow! JTT actually posted under his own name. Somebody take a picture!

Posted by: papajim | Jan 28, 2019 4:37:31 PM

Just another thing you are wrong about.

Ford full size 4,924,500
GM full size 4,609,028
Truck against like truck Ford is clearly in the lead.
Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 28, 2019 3:20:23 PM


He didn't say full-size. He said pickups. He isn't wrong in his statement. Besides, the results speak for themselves. Ford stock has lost half its value over the last 5 years. Profits are down, quality is down, incentives are up....It doesn't look like the Ranger is going to be the game-changer either. Reviews are trashing it, especially in Lariat trim where the price is in the mid-$40k price range. Way too much for a fleet truck pretending to be a high-end midsize truck.

Ford full size 4,924,500
GM full size 4,609,028
Truck against like truck Ford is clearly in the lead.
Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 28, 2019 3:20:23 PM

He didn't say full-size. He said pickups. He isn't wrong in his statement. Besides, the results speak for themselves. Ford stock has lost half its value over the last 5 years. Profits are down, quality is down, incentives are up....It doesn't look like the Ranger is going to be the game-changer either. Reviews are trashing it, especially in Lariat trim where the price is in the mid-$40k price range. Way too much for a fleet truck pretending to be a high-end midsize truck.

Posted by: Lionel | Jan 28, 2019 9:48:54 PM

Just like gms you don't do logic. But hey in your world maybe comparing different things is logical.
What has stock price got to do with truck sales numbers. Nothing in a logical world but then again you do have trouble with logic.
Are you papajim posting under another name?

Ford full size 4,924,500
GM full size 4,609,028
Truck against like truck Ford is clearly in the lead.


Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 28, 2019 3:20:23 PM

You have not included all the GM pick-ups sold over the 6 year time period. You will need to go back and recount all pickups gm sold. Hire an CPA if needed , they will explain it for you.

ahhh VW wasn't the only one caught cheating. Bad Fiat... lose over 3/4 of a billion $$ of money to the US government... maybe its just the governments way of actually being paid back for funding Fiat's takeover of Chrysler? If that's the case please fine GM until the taxpayer is whole again.

GM has sold more pick-up trucks over the last 7 year time period than Ford.

Shut the hell up GMSRGREAT. GMs are trash, period. FACT.

Shut the hell up GMSRGREAT. GMs are trash, period. FACT.


Posted by: papajim | Jan 29, 2019 7:52:16 PM


GM has sold more pick-up trucks over the last 7 year time period than Ford.


GM has sold more pick-up trucks over the last 7 year time period than Ford.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jan 29, 2019 8:31:36 PM

The following is quote copied off a news site.
"The Ford F-Series truck is the best selling vehicle in the US and has been for the past 36 years."
If adding up different size trucks meant anything you would not this type headline.

Ford sales leadership?

@JTT

There are two types of guys who get lied to A LOT.

The first is guys that are married to floozies, the other is guys that watch TV and Internet news.

If you care about accuracy you have to double check ANYTHING you find online. Did you?

@papajim You are just talking in circles because you have no meaningful content to add.

If adding up different size trucks meant anything you would not this type headline.

Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 30, 2019 12:24:14 PM

Ford has sold 2 different size trucks over the last 7 years. It doesn't matter though because GM has sold more pick-up trucks over the last 8 year time period that Ford.

If adding up different size trucks meant anything you would not this type headline.
Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 30, 2019 12:24:14 PM
Ford has sold 2 different size trucks over the last 7 years. It doesn't matter though because GM has sold more pick-up trucks over the last 8 year time period that Ford.

Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jan 30, 2019 8:51:58 PM

It would be if just once you had some meaningful input.

It would be nice if just once you had meaningful input.

It would be if just once you had some meaningful input.

Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 30, 2019 9:44:44 PM

I thought you should know, just the truth.

It would be if just once you had some meaningful input.

Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 30, 2019 9:44:44 PM

I thought you should know, just the truth.


Posted by: GMSRGREAT | Jan 31, 2019 12:33:34 AM

Congratulations for a post with absolutely no sign of intelligence.

Congratulations for a post with absolutely no sign of intelligence.


Posted by: Just the truth | Jan 31, 2019 6:55:20 AM


How can someone form an intelligent response when referencing the oxymoronic statements of "Just the truth". Oh wait, that may have been too intelligent for you to understand.

I guess you all just like to try and fake each other out in your flame wars. Hey, it may be fun for you but I'd rather hear more discussion about the topic of the article, not whether you're fake or not.

Once they get their emissions things straightened out I would love to have another Eco diesel Dodge ram from them



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