So It Begins: GMC Teases the 2020 Sierra 2500/3500

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We've already seen two different trim versions of the 2020 Chevrolet Silverado 2500/3500: the economical LT and the fully loaded High Country. Now GMC has begun teasing the Silverado HDs' structural twins, the 2020 GMC Sierra 2500/3500.

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This small photo shows the front headlight of what looks like a mid-level trim package from the next-generation GMC heavy duty. Some have been quite critical of new look of the 2019 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and the dual-grille look we expect to see on the new Silverado HDs when they're officially unveiled later this year. But it looks like GMC is going to be a little more guarded in its reveal approach, stringing us along with teasers. As always, GMC's biggest challenge will be making its trucks look different enough from the Chevys to satisfy and retain its own, albeit smaller, buyer base.

We'll be at a 2019 GMC Sierra 1500 drive event next week and will be sure ask questions regarding the new GMC HD platform and styling cues. If we get answers, we'll be sure to pass along as much of that information as we can. In the meantime, if you have any questions regarding the new GMC HDs or GM trucks in general, put them in the comment section below and we'll ask them next week.

While 2018 was the year of the half ton, 2019 is shaping up to be the year of the heavy duty. Ram came out swinging with the new 2019 Ram 2500/3500 at the 2019 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, and GM will be answering later this year with the next-generation Silverado and Sierra HDs. And we're likely to hear something from Ford before the Work Truck Show in March in Indianapolis. Things are getting interesting with big pickups again.

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@Texas1836 "I obviously can't compete with papajim's knowledge of the car business..."

No kidding fool! Lawn bowling is played by 2 teams of 1-4 players who try to earn points by throwing their balls up the green so that they land closest to a small target ball called a "Jack."

Speaking about balls and Jack, testicular torsion happens when the spermatic cord, which provides blood flow to the testicle, rotates and becomes twisted. The twisting cuts off the testicle's blood supply and causes sudden pain and swelling. Does that hurt GMSRGREAT?

I don't really like facts, but I do like GM. WHat I know is that GM is my favorite and really good. Better than all other brands. Buy their stock because I did and have made tons of money. If you try to refute what I say with facts I WILL insult your intelligents.

If you try to refute what I say with facts I WILL insult your intelligents.

@the FAKE papa

Be careful.

If you p*ss him off, the FAKE papa will insult your INTELLIGENTS

Better put some ice on that.

@papajim

What I said may include a few anecdotes but it is backed up by facts. I would ask you why YOU think GM hd trucks aren't selling very well but then you can't even grasp the reality that GM hd trucks aren't selling well. Take a step back and realize you are completely blinded by GM fanboism.

@the FAKE papa

Be careful.

If you p*ss him off, the FAKE papa will insult your INTELLIGENTS

Better put some ice on that.


Posted by: papajim | Jan 19, 2019 5:04:03 PM

STOP USING MY ID.

The Ford fangays has ruined the comments section.

@TNTGAY

“ @ truck frame

https://youtu.be/TKMQjm7i2Jw

Fords are tough? Please the Super Duty is weakest of the big 3. Ford just has the biggest fan based followers than even Toyots Tacoma lovers. “


You post a link from 2011? You really are a clown. I take my last comment back. It’s people like you and papajim that have ruined this comment section

gOOD LOOKING TRUCKS. I LIKE THE gmc LGO, REMINDS ME OF THE OLD ONES MY GRANDFATHER HAD ON THE |fARM, TOGH TRUCKS READY TO WORK.

@beebe - Don't you have a terribly empty feeling - in your skull?

Thanks papajim. I bet you feel really good about yourself with comments like that. No empty feelings here.

@tntonline
"Again, I didnt respond to JTT. I responded to full of $h!t"
No you responded to "Just the truth". Another of your untruths.

"I'm done being in a p!$$ing match with an uneducated, welfare clown."
I don't blame you. You have to be tired of losing.

"TNTGMC as my username."
You will always be tntonline to me as I can't see one of your post without hearing Brad Paisley son "Online" playing in the back of my mind.


This is where Ford IMO really defeats the other big two truck makers. They had an ad years ago that showed all the parts of a truck suspended in the air coming together to form a truck and they talked about how they pay attention to every part to ensure top quality. It was just an advertisement but I believe they really do pay better attention to the quality of every part. The fact they emphasize this in their ads further confirms to me that they know how important the little things are to their buyers.
Posted by: Beebe | Jan 19, 2019 10:39:22 AM

Funny they never seem to mention the trash IWE's filled with plastic parts and pot metal that they use to send power to the front wheels. They also seem to gloss over the fact that Ford got rid of the forged steel components in the IFS and replaced them with thin wimpy stamped steel parts.

Apparently they were distracted when choosing top quality parts for the door latches, wavy plastic dashes, the fuel pump drivers they mounted on the frame and would rot out, the cheap unreliable electronic throttle bodies, the two-piece spark plugs, the last decade ofworthless cam phasers, the plastic timing chain guides, the brittle powdered metal oil pumps they use in production engines (oddly they never use those failure prone pumps in Ford Performance crate engines), etc. I would have loved if they would have chosen "top quality parts" when they worked on that SFA setup on the Superduty. I am still amazed that they somehow managed to make the 2017+ Superduty MORE prone to death wobble than the last truck.

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Reminds me of another ad where they drove the trucks repeatedly over a really rough road on some proving grounds and showed how little things on the competing trucks would fail sometimes shockingly easily.
Posted by: Beebe | Jan 19, 2019 10:39:22 AM

Funny how Ford guys bought into that old gimmicky video, but they swear up and down that GM "cheated" "lied" "faked" the steel vs aluminum test. Of course the F-150 did the least worst on that proving ground test, IT'S THE SAME PROVING GROUND THEY USED TO TUNE THE SUSPENSION of the F-150. Hence why they chose a VERY specific speed of 25 MPH for the test. The suspension and frame both have a mechanical resonance. Had the test been performed at a speed 2 or 3 MPH faster or slower, the results would have been totally different. Just another garbage marketing video by Ford where they show you a demonstration and the simpletons buy into it hook line and sinker. Just like Ford supposedly show how strong the 2017 Super Duty's frame was by suspending it in the air and hanging a bunch of F-150's from it. The load on the frame was very small due to the where the load points were. There were spreader bars above the frame and the attachment points of the loan hanging from the frame were right next to the attachment points suspending the frame in the air. Not at all impressive. Just like Ford bragging that the frame was 24 times more rigid than the last frame. That's not saying much when the previous frame was an open-c ladder frame that had the torsional rigidity of wet spaghetti. Or how about the lame aluminum proganda Ford was pumping out about how "tough" their super-secret "military grade" aluminum beds were by having somebody hit golf balls at it. Then Ford fans cry foul when GM drops some rocks on it. These are the same fans that conveniently overlooked all the propaganda videos Ford released where they showed "real world" test where workers were tossing toolboxes, equipment, steel piping into an aluminum bed with no bedliner or other protection.

When Ford makes a video telling us what they did to prevent death wobble and to make ESOF more reliable than the trash they have been using, that might earn them a point or two.

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Ironically Ford hd had some relatively unreliable engines from around 05 until 2011 when they brought diesel engine production in-house. But even some relatively unreliable engines in a Ford competed well with the other more reliable power trains. Perhaps because they were reliable enough to still be comparable overall to the gm and ram trucks. Nowthey have a solid power train they seem to have the most complete/reliable truck and have really run away with the hd market share.
Posted by: Beebe | Jan 19, 2019 10:39:22 AM

That's laughable. The only reason Ford managed to maintain sales back then was by leaning heavily on fleet sales. And the biggest buyers of fleet trucks don't realize that the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstroke were total trash. Accountants having a bigger say in the decision of which trucks they're buying than do the crews using the trucks or the garage maintaining them. Congratulations, Superduty's sell because the diesel engines are dirt cheap Mexican made parts for over 15 years. There's a reason Ford has made a point not to mention that their 'Merican truck is powered by a Mexican engine designed by Austrians.

@ full of $h!t

Maybe if you took less time coming on this site, making up faulty names, looking at my comments, and talking trash. You could go out and find a job, get out of your parent's basement, and then you could afford to buy a truck!

@Ted

I agree with you on the extremely unreliable Ford 6.0 & 6.4 diesels, it is truly amazing that Ford kept their HD market share during that time period. The 6.0 was particularly bad, and the 6.4 was a little better...but still terrible. Everyone I know that I can think of who had that generation of super duty had injector and other problems...and they were extremely expensive to fix. One friend, as well as my Dad 'bullet proofed' their 6.0's and it cost them close to $10k to do it. The good news is, that the new generation in-house diesel has been quite reliable. At this point, all three 'domestic' HD diesels are solid choices in my mind.

@tntonline

Online
Brad Paisley
I work down at the Pizza Pit
And I drive an old Hyundai
I still live with my mom and dad
I'm 5 foot 3 and overweight
I'm a scifi fanatic
A mild asthmatic
And I've never been to second base
But there's whole another me
That you need to see
Go checkout MySpace
'Cause online I'm out in Hollywood
I'm 6 foot 5 and I look damn good
I drive a Maserati
I'm a black-belt in karate
And I love a good glass of wine
It turns girls on that I'm mysterious
I tell them I don't want nothing serious
'Cause even on a slow day
I could have a three way
Chat with two women at one time
I'm so much cooler online
So much cooler online

LMFAO!!! @ full of $h!t

Now we know why you listen to that song, bc it's a story about yourself!

Research states that the music you listen to relates to your personal life.

No wonder this clown, who uses multiple names, sabotages the forum, all while driving an escort (not Hyundai) loves and references this song!

So classic. Good job dip💩! Thanks for proving my point.

One day you'll grow a pair of b@lls and get a job. You might be able to afford a 2010 Furd Ranger. At least it won't look like a new Taurus

@tntonline That song is the embodiment of you. I am thinking Brad Paisley knows you.
A real man would never make fun of his family on the internet.
A real man would defend his family.
I do not expect you to understand what a real man would do.
I do not think real men listen to Michael Jackson an I know they would not defend him as you have.

@ full of $h!t

Denial and deflect is plainly evident here gentleman.

1. You don't use 1 name....you use multiple names and ruin the site

2. You don't post facts, yet you claim to know the truth

3. You spread lies and garbage, then twist words around to make yourself look and feel better.....(bc your life s@cks!)

4. You drive a car and come to a truck forum......unreal

Now please move along by getting up off your lazy @$$ and find a job to afford a truck. But first go to church🙏

Please accept this advice....its free, bc we all know your 1 of those welfare parasites and enjoy free things!

Have a fantastic day 🤡✌

@tntonline More of your fact free drivel.
Do you actually believe the junk you post?

Telling someone to go to church when you make fun of your own family is quite pathetic.
You are absolutely in need of church.


@ full of $h!t

Again deflect, deflect, deflect....then comes denial, denial, denial

Twist words for his satifsfaction

Don't own up to his demons, act like a man, instead hides behind computer through multiple usernames

Still doesn't have a job or truck

Didn't take advice bc he is too busy listening to Brad Paisley, wishing he was more than what he has become

Quite sad!

@tntonline Just more fact free drivel.
All you do is post childish accusations completely free of any fact.
And yes I listen to Brad Paisley and country music.
I do NOT listen to Michael Jackson.
Some how Michael Jackson and church do not go together.
I do NOT respect or take advice from those who listen to Michael Jackson.

@beebe - oh come on beebe sounds like you are going to cry. beebe keep rolling your eyes, perhaps you'll find a brain back there.

@ full of $h!t

Accusations?

Hmmm

Ok here we go: facts

1. You don't drive a truck. You admitted this...your words!

2. You have been caught using multiple usernames.

3. You twist words for your own pleasure....others have called you out on it also.

4. You never post facts to back your claim....have been called out many times to back your claims. Yet one of your worthless usernames states u know the truth....LIAR!

So tell me where the accusations are? Hmmm...denial and deflect
It's what you do best parasite!


Here are my facts

1. I never supported Michael Jackson. I said he was never proven guilty in court of law.....That's a FACT!! You twisted this into your denial world for your own pleasure....see the differencd

2. My father in law, brother in law, and nephew would rather walk than drive anything else than a Ford...that's a FACT! Do I think that's crazy...absolutely....but that's their choice not mine. Just stating what they said. If you call that bashing well, that's your opinion. You say something like that...expect consequences and backlashes.

@tntonline If what I have said was not true you would not continue deny. You are your own worst enemy the more you protest the worse you look.

@ full of $h!t

You're in such denial. Its pathetic

Keep making yourself feel better. Everyone sees the truth, and has read the truth, except you leech!

Putting u in your place is too easy.

Reread above post....All are FACTS this car driving clown can't handle..

Good day to you 👴man

@TNTGMC

I'm in denial haaa...Please shut your mouth when you’re talking to me.

You're so fake, Barbie is jealous.

I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.

You're like Monday mornings, nobody likes you.

No I'm not insulting you, I'm describing you.

@tntonline You protest way too much for this not to be true.
A real man could see the truth but the boy you are never will.

@ multiple names....aka parasite

Thanks for proving my point!

@tntonline What point? That you are untruthful or that you make fun of your family or that you are a Michael Jackson pervert.

@ full of $h!t

That your in denial clown and u twist words and use multiple names

Go take your junk escort for a drive, grab a few dollars from your parents and get a cup of coffee dip💩

@tntonlie You are obviously the one denial.
The words you so not like are words you posted. You did this to yourself. Try growing up and accepting your mistakes.

@TNTGMC

I can’t help imagining how much awesomer the world would be if your dad had just pulled out.

@ multiple names

Again proving my point! Thank u car driving leech!

I see that escort drive didnt work for you. What mommy didn't have any money for you?

@ full of $h!t

Prove to me where I posted your so called "words"?

Come on. Prove it. I'll wait......

@tntonline Are going to have one your multi-posting juvenile tantrums?

@TNTGMC - You get ten times more girls than me? ten times zero is zero...

Tantrums?

Funny coming from a guy who hides behind different names.

I see you still can't prove it!

Everything I said in above comments are the truth and you can't handle that. Its quite commical, yet sad, bc you can't comprehend it!

These are all true!

Ok here we go: facts

1. You don't drive a truck. You admitted this...your words!

2. You have been caught using multiple usernames.

3. You twist words for your own pleasure....others have called you out on it also.

4. You never post facts to back your claim....have been called out many times to back your claims. Yet one of your worthless usernames states u know the truth....LIAR!

So tell me where the accusations are? Hmmm...denial and deflect
It's what you do best parasite!


Here are my facts

1. I never supported Michael Jackson. I said he was never proven guilty in court of law.....That's a FACT!! You twisted this into your denial world for your own pleasure....see the differencd

2. My father in law, brother in law, and nephew would rather walk than drive anything else than a Ford...that's a FACT! Do I think that's crazy...absolutely....but that's their choice not mine. Just stating what they said. If you call that bashing well, that's your opinion. You say something like that...expect consequences and backlashes


Now I ask you. Prove me wrong!! I'll wait for you, parasite infecting dip💩

@tntonline You can deny and call me names but that does not change the truth.

"ANOTHER FAKE PAPA"
Posted by: papajim | Jan 19, 2019 2:44:15 PM

Sounds like a kid in Harlem on father's day!

"That's laughable. The only reason Ford managed to maintain sales back then was by leaning heavily on fleet sales. And the biggest buyers of fleet trucks don't realize that the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstroke were total trash. Accountants having a bigger say in the decision of which trucks they're buying than do the crews using the trucks or the garage maintaining them. Congratulations, Superduty's sell because the diesel engines are dirt cheap Mexican made parts for over 15 years. There's a reason Ford has made a point not to mention that their 'Merican truck is powered by a Mexican engine designed by Austrians."- Ted

AMEN! Beebe's claim that the 6.0 and 6.4 Powerstroke weren't as bad as everyone say they were is a sign that he doesn't know what he's talking about or he refuses to actually look at the facts behind those engines. The 6.0 in particular was a disaster! The 6.4 still had the most issues of any diesel engine and parts for a 6.4 are really really expensive. They usually have really expensive problems with the heads wearing out. The heads are cheap and don't use bronze bushings so the steel on steel valve setup wears out a lot faster. Others typically develop cracks around the valves. Just a very cheaply made engine which is normal for a company like Navistar. Sure the big volume fleet buyers that buy trucks by the thousands each year might have stuck it out with Ford even if the engines were total junk, but Ford lost a lot of sales to regular folks like ranchers and farmers that got tired of their Powerstroke leaving the stranded or costing them thousands in repairs. A lot of the guys I knew that had 6.0's at the time gave up on Ford. Other guys had a drop $10000 or $15000 to bulletproof it. But even then, you have other problems with these cheap Navistar engines that could still destroy them.

Your point about the Mexican engines is a good point. I used to rib the Duramax guys for what I thought were made in Japan engines. Turns out they are actually made in Ohio. The engine and transmission have to be the two most expensive parts of these trucks. Ford likes to wave the US flag when they talk about their trucks but they're the ones that have been using Mexican diesel engines when they could be making them in the US and creating a lot of skilled jobs. For sure, the last three Powerstroke engines they used are all Mexican. They probably pay each worker $2 or $3 an hour doing it.

@ full of $h!t

Again, thank u for proving my point.

You can't prove anything.

You can't handle the truth

The TRUTH hurts

LMFAO!!! Everyone sees your a fraud!!

@tntonline. You are looking for plausible deniability. You are fishing to see what I may be able to look up. I will not help you.
So now what are you going to try?
Have you told you wife you make fun of her easily?

@ full of $h!t

Give it up "IT"

You've lost. Stop deflecting and changing subject

I asked you to prove me wrong. YOU CAN'T.....you never do.

Its quite comical. But go ahead deflect....

And my wife has nothing to do with this convo dip $h!t!

Stay focused.....or are your multiple personalities kicking in again?

You don't know which is which??

TNTWHINE is having another one of his mental breakdowns

@tntonline You continually prove yourself wrong. Yes your wife is in this conversation because it is her family you make fun of.

Does making fun of your wife's family make you feel like a man?

@ full of $h!t

Its like talking to a wall with you. No wonder why you still live with your parents and can't find a boyfriend....I mean "partner "

How's that escort treating you?

My wife btw...is just fine. She agrees with me and can't believe her family would rather walk then ride in any other truck. That's not bashing them btw....thats just a fact...

That's why she drives a GMC terrain. Great FE, excellent ride, and great AWD system for snow here in midwest.

Again, please re-read the post above

You still can't and haven't proven me wrong or posted my supposed "words" I've stated??

You make no sense, have no credibility, a
Spews lies, twists words, and truly is a fraud.

Papajim, GMSRGREAT, Ford Rules, and others have called you out bc you have screwed this forum up with your multiple username posts. Its pathetic...
I'll always call you out bc you truly are a coward who drives a car, yet hides behind a computer screen acting like he knows the truth but really doesn't.

Now, go to your escort/topaz forum and comment away about yout hot rod diesel!

@ mikecollins

Very well spoken.

My nephew who is die hard Ford guy, talks all the time about how if you dump $10k+ into a 6.0L or 6.4L they will be bulletproof.

I tell him, you shouldnt have to dump that much money into them to make them reliable. They truly were horrible motors.

Now the new 6.7L seems to be night and day better. Just not a fan of Ford and their "class leading" nonsense. If you're going to be class leading you better show up at comparisons and win the performance categories. For years they haven't won, the duramax consistently beats it.

@ mikecollins

Very well spoken.

My nephew who is die hard Ford guy, talks all the time about how if you dump $10k+ into a 6.0L or 6.4L they will be bulletproof.

I tell him, you shouldnt have to dump that much money into them to make them reliable. They truly were horrible motors.

Now the new 6.7L seems to be night and day better. Just not a fan of Ford and their "class leading" nonsense. If you're going to be class leading you better show up at comparisons and win the performance categories. For years they haven't won, the duramax consistently beats it.

@tntonline I can lead you to the truth but you will have to see it for yourself.



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